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#1 User is offline   Vestapol 

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 08:36 PM

Welcome to the Gibson BluesHawk Club.

Post pictures and tell us the history of your Hawk, whether it's a BluesHawk, NightHawk, or other breed within the Hawk species. Like Little Lucille or Epiphone's reissue NightHawk.

If you're interested in Hawks as a former owner, or because you played your friend's Hawk and now yer jones'n, jump on in. We'll take care of ya... [thumbup]

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:18 PM

View PostVestapol, on 30 March 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

Welcome to the Gibson BluesHawk Club.

Post pictures and tell us the history of your Hawk, whether it's a BluesHawk, NightHawk, or other breed within the Hawk species. Like Little Lucille or Epiphone's reissue NightHawk.

If you're interested in Hawks as a former owner, or because you played your friend's Hawk and now yer jones'n, jump on in. We'll take care of ya... [thumbup]



Doug;
Thanks for starting this. I am glad to contribute to the BluesHawk Club, and as a newbie no less - how about that timing? So I looked back into my records and I see that it has been ten years and about a month since I bought my '97 ebony BluesHawk S/N 93437501 in a used guitar store in San Jose, CA. Time sure flies, it seems like yesterday. I paid $475 for it so it looks like it has been a good investment for me over time but its real value is in the playing. I am not a musician, I just love guitars, I play for fun and for the neighbors whether they like it or not. The guitar is nice, far from perfect as it looks like it got some heavy use from the PO. Some minor buckle rash and a couple of small dings but overall it is in pretty good shape. I sometimes have to wiggle the pickup switch as it cuts out in some varitone positions but that doesn't happen too often. And lastly the frets were dressed not too long ago by a guy who knew what he was doing and that took care of some buzz in the 5th and 6th strings between the 4th and 6th frets, it plays great. I run it through a fairly new Vox Pathfinder 15R.

I think that about covers it, I hope my photo comes through. Anyone else out there?

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:47 AM

I have two, a red and a black one and I call them the evil twins because both guitar work born on the day of the death of a music gaint.

Great guitars, light weight, very versatile, both in mint condition... I wasn't looking to buy two but there were two minty ones up at the same time on eBay so I had a bid on both and won both. Think I paid around $600 each for them at the time. Not sure what they are going for now but I assume much more. If you can find one...

Black Blueshawk Made at Nashville Plant, TN, USA September 28th, 1998 - Production Number: 1 (Miles David died on Sept. 28, 1991)

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Red Blueshawk made at the Nashville Plant, TN, USA September 18th, 1997 - Production Number: 259 ( Jimi Hendrix died on Sept 18th, 1970)

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1960-ish Guillermo Lluquet arch top vintage burst 2 Voss single coil pups
1983 Corvus, old gold, 3 single coil pups with 5 way selector switch
1997 Blueshawk, red/gold hardware,2 blues 90 pups with rotary vary sound selector
2002 Fender Strat MIM Standard
2006 LP Studio project, refinished with a gold leaf top, Seymour Duncan pups with Jimmy Page set-up
2006 Johnny A custom, 57 Classic pups
2007 JP EDS 1275, Jimmy Page pups
2007 LP classic Heritage Cherry Sunburst, 496R and 500T ceramic humbucker pups
2007 LP Robot Guitar 1st edition, 490R and 498T pups
2007 LP Custom black/gold hardware, 490R and 498T pups
2007 Brain May, Red Special 3 Andeson Tri-Sonics pups
2008 Alhambra Acoustic model Auditorium Luthier. Hand painted one of a kind...
2011 Fender Strat Mahogany Crimson Red 2 Tex Mex single coils, 1 humbucker and S1 switch
2013 Fender Acoustic CD140SCE NAT
2014 Pignose travel guitar, 1 humbucker with built-in speaker and 1watt amp
2014 Taylor 214ce Deluxe Auditorium cutaway. Natural gloss finish
2014 Gibson ES 175 D 1959 Historic, vintage burst, 57 classic pups
2014 Epiphone DR 100 NA dreadnought natural gloss finish


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:48 AM

I got mine (Chicago Blue) as a lighter Guitar to my LP just before they discontinued them. It was my first taste of a varitone. I am sorry they have not reissued it nor have I seen the pickups on another Gibson.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:08 PM

Jim, Dave, and Doc,

thanks for introducing us to your BluesHawk experiences. Aren't they beautiful tone machines?

As for current values and availability, I track these on Ebay and usually find two to six BluesHawks listed. Ebay is not the best measure of value, but sellers seem to be getting around $900 for Ebony and Cherry Red BluesHawks and $1000 or more for Chicago Blue (usually with hard shell cases).

Interestingly, I have yet to see a beat-up BluesHawk...

I'm curious, what is the feature of your BluesHawk that you love the most?

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Doug
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:46 AM

Although these are very nice guitars I would place them in the starter guitar category. It's a nice, light, versatile guitar that offers lots of sound variations and is comfortable to hold. They are however, not easy to get set up as far as action and tone goes. I've had a very hard time trying to find the right combination of good action and tone. When the action feels good there are buzzes and an overall dead sound. When the the action is set so the guitar rings out, has no buzzes and sound full the action is to high, at least for me. I guess it also depends on what style you play. I am speaking in general playability though. Once you play a Les Paul or a SG you can feel the difference of both these aspects. Could be why you never see them very beat up. The two I have are near mint and will most likely stay that way as they get little to no play. Still a very nice guitar for the money.
1960-ish Guillermo Lluquet arch top vintage burst 2 Voss single coil pups
1983 Corvus, old gold, 3 single coil pups with 5 way selector switch
1997 Blueshawk, red/gold hardware,2 blues 90 pups with rotary vary sound selector
2002 Fender Strat MIM Standard
2006 LP Studio project, refinished with a gold leaf top, Seymour Duncan pups with Jimmy Page set-up
2006 Johnny A custom, 57 Classic pups
2007 JP EDS 1275, Jimmy Page pups
2007 LP classic Heritage Cherry Sunburst, 496R and 500T ceramic humbucker pups
2007 LP Robot Guitar 1st edition, 490R and 498T pups
2007 LP Custom black/gold hardware, 490R and 498T pups
2007 Brain May, Red Special 3 Andeson Tri-Sonics pups
2008 Alhambra Acoustic model Auditorium Luthier. Hand painted one of a kind...
2011 Fender Strat Mahogany Crimson Red 2 Tex Mex single coils, 1 humbucker and S1 switch
2013 Fender Acoustic CD140SCE NAT
2014 Pignose travel guitar, 1 humbucker with built-in speaker and 1watt amp
2014 Taylor 214ce Deluxe Auditorium cutaway. Natural gloss finish
2014 Gibson ES 175 D 1959 Historic, vintage burst, 57 classic pups
2014 Epiphone DR 100 NA dreadnought natural gloss finish


My Sound Click

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[size="3"]I don't want to be the fastest guitarist, I want to be a guitarist with lots feeling and able to express the music I hear in my head...

It's not how fast you play, it's what you say... Ginger Baker
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:02 PM

I think daveinspain makes some good points. I tried to set mine up myself and I was never able to get it quite right. Then I took it in to a good guitar tech and he was able to find just the right compromise, so now it sounds and plays quite nicely. The action could be a bit lower but with .009s it is very playable and string bending is easy - I guess the longer scale length has something to do with that. Might be a little pricey though for a starter guitar imho, weren't these things around $600 new? Another thing about the Blueshawk is its uniqueness, it is a bit different and it never fails to generate interest.

That's my $.02,
Jim
2016 ES-339 Studio ginger burst
'97 Gibson BluesHawk, ebony
mid 60's Supreme E-6N dreadnought (Harptone)
mid 60s Supreme A-12N 12 string acoustic (Harptone)
mid 60s Standel Super Artist XV amp
2015 Vox Night Train 15 combo
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:30 AM

Oh yeah a very unique guitar and it's a Gibson most people haven't seen or heard of so it will generate interest... It's an extremely comfortable guitar they really got the shape and ergonomics in the design. Maybe I'll spend the money to see what a proper guitar tech/luthier could do as far as set up goes with my blueshawks someday...
1960-ish Guillermo Lluquet arch top vintage burst 2 Voss single coil pups
1983 Corvus, old gold, 3 single coil pups with 5 way selector switch
1997 Blueshawk, red/gold hardware,2 blues 90 pups with rotary vary sound selector
2002 Fender Strat MIM Standard
2006 LP Studio project, refinished with a gold leaf top, Seymour Duncan pups with Jimmy Page set-up
2006 Johnny A custom, 57 Classic pups
2007 JP EDS 1275, Jimmy Page pups
2007 LP classic Heritage Cherry Sunburst, 496R and 500T ceramic humbucker pups
2007 LP Robot Guitar 1st edition, 490R and 498T pups
2007 LP Custom black/gold hardware, 490R and 498T pups
2007 Brain May, Red Special 3 Andeson Tri-Sonics pups
2008 Alhambra Acoustic model Auditorium Luthier. Hand painted one of a kind...
2011 Fender Strat Mahogany Crimson Red 2 Tex Mex single coils, 1 humbucker and S1 switch
2013 Fender Acoustic CD140SCE NAT
2014 Pignose travel guitar, 1 humbucker with built-in speaker and 1watt amp
2014 Taylor 214ce Deluxe Auditorium cutaway. Natural gloss finish
2014 Gibson ES 175 D 1959 Historic, vintage burst, 57 classic pups
2014 Epiphone DR 100 NA dreadnought natural gloss finish


My Sound Click

See my new video here

See my video here

[size="3"]I don't want to be the fastest guitarist, I want to be a guitarist with lots feeling and able to express the music I hear in my head...

It's not how fast you play, it's what you say... Ginger Baker
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:23 AM

Does anyone know (or do we have any way of knowing) many Blueshawks were produced?

BTW, daveinspain, your guitars are gorgeous. I can't believe the protective film is still attached to the back panels on the black one!
2016 ES-339 Studio ginger burst
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mid 60's Supreme E-6N dreadnought (Harptone)
mid 60s Supreme A-12N 12 string acoustic (Harptone)
mid 60s Standel Super Artist XV amp
2015 Vox Night Train 15 combo
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 03:01 PM

View PostJim__H, on 09 April 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

Does anyone know (or do we have any way of knowing) many Blueshawks were produced?

BTW, daveinspain, your guitars are gorgeous. I can't believe the protective film is still attached to the back panels on the black one!


Good question, Jim. I think there are a few people on this Gibson Forum who work for Gibson in some capacity. I'll do a little fishin and if that doesn't get us some data then I'll contact Gibson directly.

Cheers,
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 05:56 PM

FYI; not an endorsement:

Heritage Cherry BluesHawk for $605 as of 7:50 p.m. ET, Monday, April 15:

http://www.ebay.com/...ADME:B:TB6:US:2

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 11:18 AM

I am now on a Telecaster kick and have a Baja Tele that is very popular and very reminiscent of the BH. Soft V neck, strings through body. Some teles have a Strat type bridge (like the BH.)But the Blues 90s are fantastic on the BH.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:14 PM

View PostVestapol, on 15 April 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

FYI; not an endorsement:

Heritage Cherry BluesHawk for $605 as of 7:50 p.m. ET, Monday, April 15:

http://www.ebay.com/...ADME:B:TB6:US:2

Cheers,



This is good...it sold for USD $624...(albeit without a HSC). Now, I want a Chicago Blue for that. [rolleyes]

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 12:18 PM

View PostDoc Music, on 20 April 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

I am now on a Telecaster kick and have a Baja Tele that is very popular and very reminiscent of the BH. Soft V neck, strings through body. Some teles have a Strat type bridge (like the BH.)But the Blues 90s are fantastic on the BH.


Thanks, Doc. Never thought how a Tele might compare to a BH...but this strings through, V-neck Baja is reminiscent? [thumbup]

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 05:00 PM

Pulled out my Chicago Blue BH today. I believe they were initially strung with 9s (Bright Wires) mine still bends well with the 10s I have on. The big difference from the Baja Tele and the BH is the blues 90s PU. They are humbucking and are not the same as P 90s. I have not seen these pickups anywhere else in the Gibson line- Ever. Or am I wrong?
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 05:26 PM

View PostDoc Music, on 06 May 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

Pulled out my Chicago Blue BH today. I believe they were initially strung with 9s (Bright Wires) mine still bends well with the 10s I have on. The big difference from the Baja Tele and the BH is the blues 90s PU. They are humbucking and are not the same as P 90s. I have not seen these pickups anywhere else in the Gibson line- Ever. Or am I wrong?



Think you are right...
1960-ish Guillermo Lluquet arch top vintage burst 2 Voss single coil pups
1983 Corvus, old gold, 3 single coil pups with 5 way selector switch
1997 Blueshawk, red/gold hardware,2 blues 90 pups with rotary vary sound selector
2002 Fender Strat MIM Standard
2006 LP Studio project, refinished with a gold leaf top, Seymour Duncan pups with Jimmy Page set-up
2006 Johnny A custom, 57 Classic pups
2007 JP EDS 1275, Jimmy Page pups
2007 LP classic Heritage Cherry Sunburst, 496R and 500T ceramic humbucker pups
2007 LP Robot Guitar 1st edition, 490R and 498T pups
2007 LP Custom black/gold hardware, 490R and 498T pups
2007 Brain May, Red Special 3 Andeson Tri-Sonics pups
2008 Alhambra Acoustic model Auditorium Luthier. Hand painted one of a kind...
2011 Fender Strat Mahogany Crimson Red 2 Tex Mex single coils, 1 humbucker and S1 switch
2013 Fender Acoustic CD140SCE NAT
2014 Pignose travel guitar, 1 humbucker with built-in speaker and 1watt amp
2014 Taylor 214ce Deluxe Auditorium cutaway. Natural gloss finish
2014 Gibson ES 175 D 1959 Historic, vintage burst, 57 classic pups
2014 Epiphone DR 100 NA dreadnought natural gloss finish


My Sound Click

See my new video here

See my video here

[size="3"]I don't want to be the fastest guitarist, I want to be a guitarist with lots feeling and able to express the music I hear in my head...

It's not how fast you play, it's what you say... Ginger Baker
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:26 PM

View PostDoc Music, on 06 May 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

The big difference from the Baja Tele and the BH is the blues 90s PU. They are humbucking and are not the same as P 90s. I have not seen these pickups anywhere else in the Gibson line- Ever. Or am I wrong?


Hi, Doc. Regarding those unique Blues 90s, you raise a good question...how are they different? Not sure technically how they differ from P90s myself, but I do know they are single coils. The BluesHawk's hum cancelling function is not based on the pups being "humbuckers" as one might guess. I'm no expert but I'll try to explain my best understanding of what designer J.T. Riboloff...I hope I'm spelling his name right [confused]...did:

Riboloff was a Gibson designer at the time who went on to design for Samick. Anyway, Riboloff used a clever trick to get the two single coils to cancel hum by placing a "dummy coil" between them...this configuration is like each pup having a second magnet & counter-wind, which is what a humbucker is. Two single-coils side-by-side and wound counter to each other.

Now can anyone refine or correct my explanation, or explain how the Blues 90 is different from the P90?

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 01:32 AM

View PostVestapol, on 06 May 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

Now can anyone refine or correct my explanation, or explain how the Blues 90 is different from the P90?

Cheers,


Blues 90 pickups are based on Gibson P90 single coil pickups - continuing the same soap-bar appearance, but with a substantially modified interior. Blues 90s have -

Alnico 5 magnets for pole pieces - rather than the steel or ceramic magnets (depending on which "authority" you are reading) used in many forms of P90 pickup (Alnico is a magnetic material made typically with Aluminium, Nickel and Cobolt - hence the name. Alnico 5 is a specific grade.)
windings of 42 gauge, enameled, copper wire (with reportedly fewer windings than P90s)
non-adjustable pole pieces which are all the same height - ie non-staggered and without individual screws


Blues 90 pickup

As far as I can tell, the same pickup design is used in both the neck and bridge positions - although I have noticed recently that my neck pickup has R (for Rhythm?) marked on the base-plate and the bridge pickup is marked with a T (for Treble?). Does anyone out there have certain information about this? Update - see Pickup orientation below
The pickups seem to be wax potted - traces of wax can be found on the pickup bobbins. Wax potting helps reduce pickup microphony (responding to audio signals, as opposed to changes in the magnetic field), which in turn reduces squeal (as opposed to more desirable forms of feedback - which occurs via string/body resonance).
The pickups are mounted direct to the body via two gold-plated screws between pole-pieces 2 & 3 and 4 & 5. These screws allow the height of the pickups to be adjusted - the pickups are supported on springs threaded on to the mounting screws. The mounting screws fit into threaded metal bushes that are set into the body.
The dummy-coil appears to be a Blues 90 pickup without the magnetic cores - which makes sense from an electronic point of view!
Pickup orientation - the bridge pickup has its north magnetic pole upwards/towards the strings, and the neck pickup has its south magnetic pole upwards/towards the strings. This helps cancel hum when the pickups are selected together.
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Posted 17 January 2014 - 11:09 AM

View PostMusicfox, on 15 January 2014 - 01:32 AM, said:

Blues 90 pickups are based on Gibson P90 single coil pickups - continuing the same soap-bar appearance, but with a substantially modified interior. Blues 90s have -

Alnico 5 magnets for pole pieces - rather than the steel or ceramic magnets (depending on which "authority" you are reading) used in many forms of P90 pickup (Alnico is a magnetic material made typically with Aluminium, Nickel and Cobolt - hence the name. Alnico 5 is a specific grade.)windings of 42 gauge, enameled, copper wire (with reportedly fewer windings than P90s)non-adjustable pole pieces which are all the same height - ie non-staggered and without individual screws

Blues 90 pickup

As far as I can tell, the same pickup design is used in both the neck and bridge positions - although I have noticed recently that my neck pickup has R (for Rhythm?) marked on the base-plate and the bridge pickup is marked with a T (for Treble?). Does anyone out there have certain information about this? Update - see Pickup orientation below The pickups seem to be wax potted - traces of wax can be found on the pickup bobbins. Wax potting helps reduce pickup microphony (responding to audio signals, as opposed to changes in the magnetic field), which in turn reduces squeal (as opposed to more desirable forms of feedback - which occurs via string/body resonance).

The pickups are mounted direct to the body via two gold-plated screws between pole-pieces 2 & 3 and 4 & 5. These screws allow the height of the pickups to be adjusted - the pickups are supported on springs threaded on to the mounting screws. The mounting screws fit into threaded metal bushes that are set into the body. the dummy-coil appears to be a Blues 90 pickup without the magnetic cores - which makes sense from an electronic point of view!

Pickup orientation - the bridge pickup has its north magnetic pole upwards/towards the strings, and the neck pickup has its south magnetic pole upwards/towards the strings. This helps cancel hum when the pickups are selected together.


Wow, thanks, MusicFox! This is a truly informative post...exactly why we have the BluesHawk thread.

Cheers,
Doug
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Posted 17 January 2014 - 11:15 AM

View Postdaveinspain, on 06 May 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

Think you are right...


Just noticed your logo at the bottom of your posts, Dave. Good one...and a helpful reminder for me.

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