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#1 User is offline   iwalktheline 

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:12 PM

hey guys, just needed some opinions or advice. Sometime last year I was able to get my hands on a True Vintage Hummingbird pick guard. Yes, the design has held up thanks to a clear gloss polyurethane varnish. However, over the last few weeks/months I have noticed I guess I would call it bubbling or air pockets underneath the pick guard. To the extent that it just doesn't look good at all. Do you guys have any ideas as to possibly fix this? I was thinking of getting some 3m double sided sheets and taking the guard off and somehow trying to replace it on the guitar. Would/could that solve he problem or would it just happen all over again? Has anyone else had this problem??
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:20 PM

View Postiwalktheline, on 11 July 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

... Would/could that solve he problem or would it just happen all over again? Has anyone else had this problem??


Did you put the pickguard on or did you have a luthier/shop do it? . Probably best to get the pickguard off, clean the backside and clean the guitar top, then reglue it. There's a couple of members that have done it before, maybe someone with chime in. Good luck.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:20 PM

View PostBigKahune, on 11 July 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

Did you put the pickguard on or did you have a luthier/shop do it? . Probably best to get the pickguard off, clean the backside and clean the guitar top, then reglue it. There's a couple of members that have done it before, maybe someone with chime in. Good luck.


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Yes, I put it on. I have changed a few guards in the past with no issues. When I took the guard off before I put on the true vintage I had cleaned the top completely so that no remnants were left over. Pretty simple actually, just time consuming. But, I think that's the route I will take. Take it off, clean it and use the double sided sheets. I was just curious and interested if anybody did this before and what the results were. Thanks
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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:49 PM

Iwalktheline I believe it just happens I had the same issue with my JB model though it didn't bother me. But I'm sure all the companies use the same procedure and materials for putting on PIckguards. But replacing them is very Simple as you probably already know.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:00 AM

If the PG is cast it is then transparent. This means you will always see thru it into the 3M double stick tape.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:47 AM

View PostJeremy Morton, on 12 July 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

If the PG is cast it is then transparent. This means you will always see thru it into the 3M double stick tape.
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I understand that but does that mean it always has air pockets? Is there a way to reduce the amount of them?
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:00 AM

View Postiwalktheline, on 12 July 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

I understand that but does that mean it always has air pockets? Is there a way to reduce the amount of them?


I've had my J 200 TV for years and it has not shown any sign of air pockets .
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:25 PM

View Postiwalktheline, on 12 July 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

I understand that but does that mean it always has air pockets? Is there a way to reduce the amount of them?


Its not air pockets as much as it is the texture of the tape.
You can try to reapply a tape to the guard once you have removed it but it might look the same way.
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:36 PM

View PostJeremy Morton, on 12 July 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

Its not air pockets as much as it is the texture of the tape.
You can try to reapply a tape to the guard once you have removed it but it might look the same way.
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hmmm...well that sucks [thumbdn]
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:46 PM

Only God is perfect, but at least Gibsons sound that way!

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:22 PM

View Postiwalktheline, on 11 July 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

hey guys, just needed some opinions or advice. Sometime last year I was able to get my hands on a True Vintage Hummingbird pick guard. Yes, the design has held up thanks to a clear gloss polyurethane varnish. However, over the last few weeks/months I have noticed I guess I would call it bubbling or air pockets underneath the pick guard. To the extent that it just doesn't look good at all. Do you guys have any ideas as to possibly fix this? I was thinking of getting some 3m double sided sheets and taking the guard off and somehow trying to replace it on the guitar. Would/could that solve he problem or would it just happen all over again? Has anyone else had this problem??




Noticed the exact same thing on my HBTV. It does look like a sheen of air pockets, bugged me a bit a first, but now I dont even think about it... besides, I only notice it at a certain angle.

Looking straight at it I can see clearly through it to the wood and rosette, but I do see the 'air pocket' look when I look at it from an angle.




I love the 'hard candy' type transparency of the TV pickguard [thumbup]

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:04 PM

View Postbobby b, on 12 July 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Noticed the exact same thing on my HBTV. It does look like a sheen of air pockets, bugged me a bit a first, but now I dont even think about it... besides, I only notice it at a certain angle.

Looking straight at it I can see clearly through it to the wood and rosette, but I do see the 'air pocket' look when I look at it from an angle.




I love the 'hard candy' type transparency of the TV pickguard [thumbup]

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HB_TV_Pickguard by bobbyjeepyj, on Flickr


Unfortunately, mine has become very bad. It wasn't when I first put it on but it has become an eyesore at least to my eyes. [thumbdn]
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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:35 AM

You really do have a pickguard fetish, dont you ... ? :-) Its ok, Im like that with tuners. B)
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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:42 AM

View PostEuroAussie, on 13 July 2013 - 02:35 AM, said:

You really do have a pickguard fetish, dont you ... ? :-) Its ok, Im like that with tuners. B)


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:28 AM

View PostEuroAussie, on 13 July 2013 - 02:35 AM, said:

You really do have a pickguard fetish, dont you ... ? :-) Its ok, Im like that with tuners. B)


Lol, I guess I do. For me the hummingbird is the "it" guitar and yes I would like it to be perfect. It just seems I have no luck when it comes to the pick guards, which is a shame. I wish I could find one of the 60's guards and then I would be happy as could be.
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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:41 AM

3m makes optically clear adhesives. These adhesives are super clear and come with a clear poly liner instead
of a paper liner. The poly liner helps keep the adhesive smoother than the paper does. If you google
3m 8172 Oca there is an Ebay seller who sells this product in sheets for $4.00 however they are in Korea if that matters to you. I have no affiliation with the seller. I just happen to have some product knowledge since I use a lot of 3m products where I work. Hope this helps.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:55 AM

View Postiwalktheline, on 13 July 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

Lol, I guess I do. For me the hummingbird is the "it" guitar and yes I would like it to be perfect. It just seems I have no luck when it comes to the pick guards, which is a shame. I wish I could find one of the 60's guards and then I would be happy as could be.


Their so close to getting it right, I don't get why they won't just add a bit of brown to the color swirl it, and use a finer pen to on the engraving. The translucent red doesn't do it for me either... I know what you mean regarding seeing the adhesive right through... It'll be impossible to be flawless and even if it is, you can still see it,

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 09:23 AM

View PostgrOOved, on 13 July 2013 - 08:55 AM, said:

Their so close to getting it right, I don't get why they won't just add a bit of brown to the color swirl it, and use a finer pen to on the engraving. The translucent red doesn't do it for me either... I know what you mean regarding seeing the adhesive right through... It'll be impossible to be flawless and even if it is, you can still see it,


Totally agree about adding the old brown swirl color to it. I Didn't understand why they wouldn't do that when they introduced the Tru Vintage version.
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