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ES-330 VOS - I want one but don't like the 2-piece parts

#41 User is offline   brez9091 

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 09:51 AM

I have a 100% original vintage 1959 ES-330TD with original case for sale. 5K. Email:
Brez9091@msn.com
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 03:40 AM

Bringing this zombie thread back to life, as it relates to another recently posted thread re two-piece tops & backs on ES guitars.

Enjoy!
> Gibsons: '22 "A" Mandolin / '66 ES 125T / '90 Tennessean / '00 J-100 Xtra
'02 J-45 Rosewood / '02 SG Faded-moon / '06 ES 335 / '09 ES 339
'10 ES 330L / '11 ES 335-P90s / '12 ES 330 VOS / '12 LP Special
'12 J-185 / '13 LG2-AE / '13 Midtown Kalamazoo / '14 J-15
> Epis: '66 FT45n Cortez / '00 AIUSA-John Lee Hooker 1964 Sheraton
'05 McCartney 1964 Texan (Terada-Elitist) / '09 Elitist 1965 Casino
> Martins: '00 OOO-16 / '01 Custom Rosewood D / > Ibanez: '81 M-340
> Guilds: '73 F-30R / '74 F-40 / '76 G-37 / '92 D-6 / '94 JF-30 / '97 Starfire
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 04:24 PM

View Postbram99, on 09 September 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

it is true...

http://davesguitar.c...mphis/es-330-4/

odd give that it is plywood.

Very (very) late to the discussion here, but I'm curious now. I just looked at the photo in the link above (which still works!), and I don't see a 2-piece top. I see off-center vertical grain lines beneath the tailpiece, but I'm not seeing a center seam. I have a feeling I'd probably have trouble locating pics of the short-lived 2013 version with a 2-piece top, so does anybody (bobouz?) have photos or links where I can see these?

I'm not sure I ever heard (or read) anything about original '59 330's having two-piece tops/backs, so I'm puzzled. Anybody have photos of those, or links to reliable sources of info?
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Posted 25 February 2017 - 02:50 AM

View PostJimR56, on 24 February 2017 - 04:24 PM, said:

Very (very) late to the discussion here, but I'm curious now. I just looked at the photo in the link above (which still works!), and I don't see a 2-piece top. I see off-center vertical grain lines beneath the tailpiece, but I'm not seeing a center seam. I have a feeling I'd probably have trouble locating pics of the short-lived 2013 version with a 2-piece top, so does anybody (bobouz?) have photos or links where I can see these?

I'm not sure I ever heard (or read) anything about original '59 330's having two-piece tops/backs, so I'm puzzled. Anybody have photos of those, or links to reliable sources of info?

Jim - Re Dave's Guitar link, the same question was asked on page two of this thread, which I answered similarly at the time: Dave's link does not change, but the guitars do! So in 2013, they had a two-piece ES-330 in stock. Eventually, it would sell and be replaced by new stock using the same link.

As for photos of two-piece 330s, I did a Google search typing in "Gibson ES 330 VOS 2013", and quickly found a natural and a sunburst with two-piece tops in the "images" section.

Then I Googled "Gibson ES 330 1959", and again quickly found an original single pickup 330 in natural finish with a two-piece top. It's very easy to spot, and they positively are out there..... Bob
> Gibsons: '22 "A" Mandolin / '66 ES 125T / '90 Tennessean / '00 J-100 Xtra
'02 J-45 Rosewood / '02 SG Faded-moon / '06 ES 335 / '09 ES 339
'10 ES 330L / '11 ES 335-P90s / '12 ES 330 VOS / '12 LP Special
'12 J-185 / '13 LG2-AE / '13 Midtown Kalamazoo / '14 J-15
> Epis: '66 FT45n Cortez / '00 AIUSA-John Lee Hooker 1964 Sheraton
'05 McCartney 1964 Texan (Terada-Elitist) / '09 Elitist 1965 Casino
> Martins: '00 OOO-16 / '01 Custom Rosewood D / > Ibanez: '81 M-340
> Guilds: '73 F-30R / '74 F-40 / '76 G-37 / '92 D-6 / '94 JF-30 / '97 Starfire
'14 Savoy A-150b / > Breedlove: '10 American Series OO Mandolin
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#45 User is offline   JimR56 

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 02:40 AM

View Postmrfett, on 12 February 2014 - 11:09 PM, said:

Check out what I just discovered: originals had 2 piece fronts/backs!

Listing: 1959 ES-330 for sale

Front:
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Back:
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Image links have gone dead on this now, but at any rate, this is one of the posts that really made me curious. Saying that "originals had 2 piece tops/backs" almost sounds like a claim that they all had 2 piece tops/backs. "Originals"... does this refer to just the earliest examples produced in '59? And how many were made that way before they returned to one piece tops/backs?

bob, I tried the two searches you suggested, and I didn't find a 2013 example with a 2 piece top and back. Not sure why you still haven't posted any photos that you've found online...?

I did find one original example (an original one-pickup ES330TN):
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What I'd really like to find is a scholarly source that explains what was happening in 1959, and perhaps how many were produced this way. Obviously, not all 1959 330's had 2-piece tops and backs.
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#46 User is offline   bobouz 

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 01:32 PM

View PostJimR56, on 26 February 2017 - 02:40 AM, said:

bob, I tried the two searches you suggested, and I didn't find a 2013 example with a 2 piece top and back. Not sure why you still haven't posted any photos that you've found online...?

Jim - Sorry I'm not tech savvy & terribly lazy to boot, so I've never been motivated enough to learn how post pics or links on forums. I do know how to email the photos I take of my instruments for insurance purposes, but my 2012 330-VOS is a one-piece.

Re the two-piece 2013 Google links, I just looked again, and there they are, near the beginning of the row of images that pops up on my computer. The natural finish example is one that was being sold at Wildwood, with a Greg Koch video, serial #T18861. The still pic of this guitar shows the seam very clearly. When Greg is playing, it's harder to distinguish, but it's there. The first sunburst I see with a seam was from a 2013 listing by Ryan's Guitar Of The Week.

But here's the definitive info. Back in 2013, I also recall watching a NAMM video where one of the Memphis staff discusses the changes on the 2013 model, including the switch to two-piece. So I googled "NAMM 2013 Gibson Memphis", and up pops the video (Wildwood again, with Greg Koch @ NAMM). It's titled "What's New From Gibson Memphis w/Mike Voltz." Within the first ninety seconds, Mike is holding an example & describing why they went to the two-piece top (but as previously mentioned, by the end of the year, for whatever reasons, they'd given up on the idea & gone back to one-piece).

As for how many original two-piece ES guitars were produced & why, I've never come across any reliable information that discusses the rationale or production numbers.
> Gibsons: '22 "A" Mandolin / '66 ES 125T / '90 Tennessean / '00 J-100 Xtra
'02 J-45 Rosewood / '02 SG Faded-moon / '06 ES 335 / '09 ES 339
'10 ES 330L / '11 ES 335-P90s / '12 ES 330 VOS / '12 LP Special
'12 J-185 / '13 LG2-AE / '13 Midtown Kalamazoo / '14 J-15
> Epis: '66 FT45n Cortez / '00 AIUSA-John Lee Hooker 1964 Sheraton
'05 McCartney 1964 Texan (Terada-Elitist) / '09 Elitist 1965 Casino
> Martins: '00 OOO-16 / '01 Custom Rosewood D / > Ibanez: '81 M-340
> Guilds: '73 F-30R / '74 F-40 / '76 G-37 / '92 D-6 / '94 JF-30 / '97 Starfire
'14 Savoy A-150b / > Breedlove: '10 American Series OO Mandolin
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