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Epiphone Les Paul Custom Body Composition

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:16 PM

Some of you guys are more knowledgeable than I and I was wondering if you could clear up a question that I have. I recently bought a used Epi LP Custom that I am very pleased with and have been enjoying playing. It is a gorgeous guitar, if I may say so myself. It is a 2005 made in the Samick factory in South Korea. My original belief was that it was a solid body of mahogany. I have been told it is chambered and that it has a maple top. The grain I can see in the black finish appears to be mahogany and the guitar is heavy (the way I like it). It sounds and feels like a solid body. Anyone have knowledge of the facts? Thanks! -- Riv
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:16 PM

I don't think I can clear it up but I think I can say what wood timbers my 1960 Tribute Plus consists of. It can be assumed looking through the faded cherryburst top finish and the cherry red finish on sides and back.

The body is made of five quarter-sawn pieces of mahogany with a mahogany veneer on the back, a maple top and a bookmatched flame maple veneer on it. The neck mainly consists of three stripes mahogany, one quartersawn and two flatsawn it seems. There is one piece of mahogany added each at the neck heel, the peghead centre and both sides of the peghead. In total, the body consists of nine, the neck of seven pieces of wood.

Its weight matches pretty well that of two modern weight relieved and one massive Gibson Les Paul, and so I think I can't tell anything about cavities but just guess.

The guitar plays and feels wonderful. Its tone capabilities are fine and considering its price tremendous.
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:23 PM

View PostRivieraLEP93, on 25 September 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

Some of you guys are more knowledgeable than I and I was wondering if you could clear up a question that I have. I recently bought a used Epi LP Custom that I am very pleased with and have been enjoying playing. It is a gorgeous guitar, if I may say so myself. It is a 2005 made in the Samick factory in South Korea. My original belief was that it was a solid body of mahogany. I have been told it is chambered and that it has a maple top. The grain I can see in the black finish appears to be mahogany and the guitar is heavy (the way I like it). It sounds and feels like a solid body. Anyone have knowledge of the facts? Thanks! -- Riv


No Epi LP is chambered, except the Ultra series !
The body wood probably is some sort of 'asian mahogani' it can have alder parts, too
there is NO maple-top on it, except as a thin veneer (of real maple)
sometimes they do even veneer on Ebony painted Epis

pics would be nice B)
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:27 PM

View PostMidtowner, on 25 September 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

No Epi LP is chambered, except the Ultra series !
The body wood probably is some sort of 'asian mahogani' it can have alder parts, too
there is NO maple-top on it, except as a thin veneer (of real maple)
sometimes they do even veneer on Ebony painted Epis

pics would be nice B)

Mine has definitely a maple top as can be seen in the cutaway below the binding and in the pickup and control cavities. Sorry, no pics at the moment, don't have taken some already but will perhaps one day.
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:27 PM

View Postcapmaster, on 25 September 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

I don't think I can clear it up but I think I can say what wood timbers my 1960 Tribute Plus consists of. It can be assumed looking through the faded cherryburst top finish and the cherry red finish on sides and back.

The body is made of five quarter-sawn pieces of mahogany with a mahogany veneer on the back, a maple top and a bookmatched flame maple veneer on it. The neck mainly consists of three stripes mahogany, one quartersawn and two flatsawn it seems. There is one piece of mahogany added each at the neck heel, the peghead centre and both sides of the peghead. In total, the body consists of nine, the neck of seven pieces of wood.
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I would like to see this three-striped neck.......or the seven pieces.... :-k
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:32 PM

View Postcapmaster, on 25 September 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

Mine has definitely a maple top as can be seen in the cutaway below the binding and in the pickup and control cavities. Sorry, no pics at the moment, don't have taken some already but will perhaps one day.


I was responding to the OPs LP Custom

I know how Tribute Plus's are made....

without pics there is NO neck like you're describing it [-(
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:38 PM

View PostMidtowner, on 25 September 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

I was responding to the OPs LP Custom

I know how Tribute Plus's are made....

without pics there is NO neck like you're describing it [-(


I appreciate the discussion and answers. I looked on the Epiphone website and felt foolish for not having done so before. The description of the Epiphone Les Paul Custom explains that it follows the tradition of the same model made by Gibson. They state, "Epiphone's LP Custom follows that tradition by using a solid, carved Mahogany body giving it a slightly mellower tone. Like the originals, attached to the body is a solid Mahogany neck with a hand-fitted, glued-in joint for optimum neck-to-body contact and acting almost like one continuous piece of wood."

It sounds a feels like a solid piece of mahogany, though I am sure that a carved maple top would have some wondeful tonal characteristics, as well. -- Riv

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:40 PM

View PostMidtowner, on 25 September 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

I was responding to the OPs LP Custom

I know how Tribute Plus's are made....

without pics there is NO neck like you're describing it [-(

Sorry, didn't realize, just thought because of your reply and the timeline order [blush]

OK, I have forgotten the fretboard LOL... was hidden under black dye... all kidding aside, I rubbed it away long before. Do you have any other doubts or complaints about my evaluation results?
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:44 PM

View PostRivieraLEP93, on 25 September 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

I appreciate the discussion and answers. I looked on the Epiphone website and felt foolish for not having done so before. The description of the Epiphone Les Paul Custom explains that it follows the tradition of the same model made by Gibson. They state, "Epiphone's LP Custom follows that tradition by using a solid, carved Mahogany body giving it a slightly mellower tone. Like the originals, attached to the body is a solid Mahogany neck with a hand-fitted, glued-in joint for optimum neck-to-body contact and acting almost like one continuous piece of wood."

It sounds a feels like a solid piece of mahogany, though I am sure that a carved maple top would have some wondeful tonal characteristics, as well. -- Riv



The Epi website doesn't tell you if this description also fits the Korean models from 2005

To my knowledge is does NOT fit
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:56 PM

Here's nothing about a maple top to be read:

http://epiphonewiki....Les_Paul_Custom
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:23 PM

View Postcapmaster, on 25 September 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

Here's nothing about a maple top to be read:

http://epiphonewiki....Les_Paul_Custom


Yes, for some strange reason I know exactly what's written in the €pi-wiki

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No Epi LP is chambered, except the Ultra series !
The body wood probably is some sort of 'asian mahogani' it can have alder parts, too
there is NO maple-top on it, except as a thin veneer (of real maple)
sometimes they do even veneer on Ebony painted Epis


Where did I say it has a maple cap ?
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:56 PM

View PostMidtowner, on 25 September 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

Yes, for some strange reason I know exactly what's written in the €pi-wiki



Where did I say it has a maple cap ?

It wasn't about your statements, just in general. Interestingly, there's no mahogany cap, too as would be correct for earlier LP Customs.

Sorry, didn't know that "your" Epi-wiki is the related unofficial one... thought you were an official guy ;)

My respect for you knowing the Epi wiki contents exactly. Don't know if I was able to remember several thousands of specifications...
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 05:10 PM

View Postcapmaster, on 25 September 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:


Sorry, didn't know that "your" Epi-wiki is the related unofficial one... thought you were an official guy ;)



Is there another "Epi-Wiki" other than the "Unofficial Epi Wiki" ?
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 06:31 PM

View PostMidtowner, on 25 September 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

Is there another "Epi-Wiki" other than the "Unofficial Epi Wiki" ?

Found some different Epi-Wikis in the past but the unofficial one seemed to be that with the most detailed informations. As for my 1960 Tribute LP, specifications there are correct or unavailable, in particular the serial number code.

Is it bad that my 1960 Tribute LP neck consists of so many pieces of wood? I checked out several of them, and they were all of the same make in this respect...
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 07:14 PM

View Postcapmaster, on 25 September 2013 - 06:31 PM, said:

Found some different Epi-Wikis in the past but the unofficial one seemed to be that with the most detailed informations. As for my 1960 Tribute LP, specifications there are correct or unavailable, in particular the serial number code.

Is it bad that my 1960 Tribute LP neck consists of so many pieces of wood? I checked out several of them, and they were all of the same make in this respect...


Your multi-piece neck is prolly 10x as stable as any one piece neck. Do you like the way your guitar feels/plays/sounds? If yes on all three, be happy!
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Posted 25 September 2013 - 07:22 PM

View Postbobf8332, on 25 September 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

Your multi-piece neck is prolly 10x as stable as any one piece neck. Do you like the way your guitar feels/plays/sounds? If yes on all three, be happy!

I think I already answered this question before:

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... The guitar plays and feels wonderful. Its tone capabilities are fine and considering its price tremendous.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:50 AM

View Postcapmaster, on 25 September 2013 - 06:31 PM, said:


Is it bad that my 1960 Tribute LP neck consists of so many pieces of wood? I checked out several of them, and they were all of the same make in this respect...


it's the first I've heard that has that many pieces....

that's why I like to see some pics
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Posted 26 September 2013 - 03:22 AM

you've got a nice guitar.......play it w/o worry !

I doubt if anybody can repeatedly tell the difference between the sound of a maple cap and maho cap by the time the tone come thru the amp anyhow. (said repeatedly 'cause anyone can guess)
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Posted 28 September 2013 - 09:02 AM

I feel that I need to clear up a couple of things in this thread. As stated earlier, no maple caps on Customs. ok. As well, Epiphone does not use mutli-ply necks on their solid body guitars. Multi-piece (as in scarf-joints, headstock-joints & heel-joints), yes. But not multi-ply. You only see that on their archtops, and not often at that. Also, Epiphone does not use quartersawn woods on most of their instruments as it would be far to costly to produce and drive up the prices exponentially.

The only exception to this are anything that is designed as a neck-through instrument, such as basses or older neck-through guitars from the 1980's (and I'm not so sure about the '80's guitars). For example, my Epiphone Expert-6 bass had an ash body with a quartersawn maple 5-piece neck-through neck. The bass was around $1000 new in 1996. The only way there would be quartersawn body pieces on a Les Paul is just luck of the draw from random pieces of wood as using quartersawn pieces is not common practice for Epiphone. I could see using a couple of quartersawn stringers on a multi-ply neck, but again, I've never heard of a multi-ply on a Les Paul. I would also like to see some pics of the neck of this guitar. This would be highly unusual if true.
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Posted 28 September 2013 - 05:26 PM

I hope these pics may help to clarify:

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Here she is surrounded by four of her Gibson sisters. From left to right: Gibson USA Standard Quilt, Gibson USA Standard 2012 Premium Plus, Epiphone 1960 Tribute Plus, Gibson USA Traditional 2013, Gibson Custom Shop Standard Figured. This picture doesn't show off what hell of a beauty these all are.

The Gibson USA Standard 2012 Premium Plus is the one I can't the Epi sonically discern from in a blind test listening to recorded tracks I played myself alternatively on both guitars using humbucker serial operation which both allow for.

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