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Blueshawk Don't understand why this guitar didn't make it

#1 User is offline   daveinspain 

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:43 PM

I have two of these… I call them the evil twins… Very versatile as far a sound goes. I think if Gibson had used a better bridge/stop bar system the guitar could have been one of their staple guitars…




1971 SG Standard Lyre Maestro tremolo, Cherry, original patent number sticker humbuckers
1983 Corvus, old gold, 3 single coil pups with 5 way selector switch
1997 Blueshawk, red/gold hardware,2 blues 90 pups with rotary vary sound selector
2006 Gretsch Chat Atkins 6120DSW orange/gold hardware, 2 Dynasonic pups
2006 LP project, refinished with a gold leaf top, Seymour Duncan pups with Jimmy Page set-up
2006 Johnny A custom, 57 Classic pups
2007 JP EDS 1275, Jimmy Page pups
2007 LP classic Heritage Cherry Sunburst, 496R and 500T ceramic humbucker pups
2007 LP Robot Guitar 1st edition, 490R and 498T pups
2007 LP Custom black/gold hardware, 490R and 498T pups
2007 Brain May, Red Special 3 Andeson Tri-Sonics pups
2008 Alhambra Acoustic model Auditorium Luthier. Hand painted one of a kind...
2011 Fender Strat Mahogany Crimson Red 2 Tex Mex single coils, 1 humbucker and S1 switch
2013 Fender Acoustic CD140SCE NAT
2014 Pignose travel guitar, 1 humbucker with built-in speaker and 1watt amp

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:47 PM

Yeah I think they are cool guitars too... I don't have one but I almost bought a 2009 (which is the model I REALLY wanted for the pup combo).. BUT I missed it by a few hours and ended up getting a Gary Moore BFG instead..

If I were in the market for a guitar today I would certainly consider one of these.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:57 PM

I used to own one in the Chicago Blue finish. I'm 6'2" and at 200 lbs I found this guitar too "little" for my liking. Felt like I was playing a miniature guitar so I sold it. It was great for sitting down and playing but not for gigging for me so it got whittled out of the collection. Same with a Nighthawk Special (3 pup) model. Went away for the same reason. Cool guitars - just not the right fit for me. [mellow]

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 04:03 PM

I would agree about the spec - interests me no end especially the P90s + varitone. There are three aspects I don't like:

1) Plain unbound fingerboard
2) I would have preferred the Crown position markers or something else more blingy like ES345 markers.
3) I much prefer sunburst to any self-colour guitar.

None of the above would actually stop me buying one however for a good price.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 05:18 PM

I think the designer had some licensing rights to it or something so when they sell them he gets a cut. The guy is JT Riboloff. I don't know if he was the guy behind the Blues-90 pickups on them that were a stacked hum resistant dummy coil reverse wound double coil design that gave a clearer tone at higher volumes without as much hum/buzz as the original P90...

I think the tone on these guitars was sublime! I want one in Chicago Blue which my research shows is much rarer than the red and possibly even the ebony color versions...

JT Riboloff went to Samick of all places/guitar manufacurers. I have a feeling he may have worn-out his welcome with Gibson for some reason or other and possibly other higher end makers too. IMHO Samick is the Walmart Value-Time brand of guitar makers and I've found their guitars to be some of the worst quality out of the Chinese factories that I've ever seen in this country... They had amazing colors and finishes with lots of bling and visual appeal but their necks are terrible as are their fret-jobs and I've seen some that were unplayable the necks were so bad with buzz and dead spots...

The guy had some very piquant guitar designs and ideas and like I said I don't know if he was the guy behind the Blues-90 pickups or if they were just utilized on his guitar design but made and designed by someone else...

I'd love a set of Blues-90s I think the tone out of 'em is truly amazing! Those guitars simply sound awesome too! But I'd put a set on an R6 Goldtop!

I never thought much of the Nighthawk, but I do like those Blueshawks!
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Posted 09 March 2014 - 05:09 AM

Blueshawk, Don't understand why this guitar didn't make it.


The main reason is because it was not a not a copy of a 59... in a red and orange burst. [thumbdn]

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 05:25 AM

View PostSearcy, on 09 March 2014 - 05:09 AM, said:

Blueshawk, Don't understand why this guitar didn't make it.


The main reason is because it was not a not a copy of a 59... in a red and orange burst. [thumbdn]

Yes, it didn't make it because it was never offered in a "tasteful" burst color...
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Posted 09 March 2014 - 05:56 AM

View PostPin, on 08 March 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:

...There are three aspects I don't like:

1) Plain unbound fingerboard
2) I would have preferred the Crown position markers or something else more blingy like ES345 markers.
3) I much prefer sunburst to any self-colour guitar.


What about one of these? I remember thinking it was pretty sweet when it came out.
Not a Blueshawk, of course, but it's cousin, the Nancy Wilson sig Nighthawk;

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Mind you; I'm rather partial to a 'Tasteful 'Burst'......................:P

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 07:53 AM

View Postpippy, on 09 March 2014 - 05:56 AM, said:

What about one of these? I remember thinking it was pretty sweet when it came out.
Not a Blueshawk, of course, but it's cousin, the Nancy Wilson sig Nighthawk;

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Mind you; I'm rather partial to a 'Tasteful 'Burst'......................:P

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I never saw that one. I kinda like it...

That color on a Blueshawk may have sold quite well...

Especially with those nice inlays.

It does have a certain appeal...

I've never held one and don't know how I'd be with the smaller body size... I'm sure it's probably a great axe...
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Posted 09 March 2014 - 08:53 AM

Thanks for that Pippy.

Interesting.

It certainly has the bling! I have never seen one in the flesh - can't be many about especially in the UK.
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Posted 09 March 2014 - 06:39 PM

I wouldnt mind having one,,although Id have to get a Floyd rose on it,,but thats just me.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 06:08 AM

View PostPin, on 09 March 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

I have never seen one in the flesh - can't be many about especially in the UK.

Nor have I seen one 'in the wood' but there's currently one in Reading if you are anywhere near...

£1,099 doesn't seem too outrageous either!

http://www.dawsons.c...CFWjpwgod1wMANA

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 07:45 AM

I've been high jacked…. [scared] This thread was actually about Blueshawks,,,, ](*,)
1971 SG Standard Lyre Maestro tremolo, Cherry, original patent number sticker humbuckers
1983 Corvus, old gold, 3 single coil pups with 5 way selector switch
1997 Blueshawk, red/gold hardware,2 blues 90 pups with rotary vary sound selector
2006 Gretsch Chat Atkins 6120DSW orange/gold hardware, 2 Dynasonic pups
2006 LP project, refinished with a gold leaf top, Seymour Duncan pups with Jimmy Page set-up
2006 Johnny A custom, 57 Classic pups
2007 JP EDS 1275, Jimmy Page pups
2007 LP classic Heritage Cherry Sunburst, 496R and 500T ceramic humbucker pups
2007 LP Robot Guitar 1st edition, 490R and 498T pups
2007 LP Custom black/gold hardware, 490R and 498T pups
2007 Brain May, Red Special 3 Andeson Tri-Sonics pups
2008 Alhambra Acoustic model Auditorium Luthier. Hand painted one of a kind...
2011 Fender Strat Mahogany Crimson Red 2 Tex Mex single coils, 1 humbucker and S1 switch
2013 Fender Acoustic CD140SCE NAT
2014 Pignose travel guitar, 1 humbucker with built-in speaker and 1watt amp

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 09:16 AM

View Postdaveinspain, on 10 March 2014 - 07:45 AM, said:

I've been high jacked…. [scared] This thread was actually about Blueshawks,,,, ](*,)

I really GASsed for a Blues Hawk a few years ago, but the were out of production and nothing on eBay looked good.

Then I bought my Parker DF and GAS for everything else went away. I've got one with P-Rail pups.

If I didn't have the DF, I'd still be Gassing for a Blues Hawk.

I don't care about neck inlays, small guitars are fine with me, the longer scale is more comfortable to me, and I love the sound of P90 pickups.

After playing a few guitars with P90s for a few years, everything else sounds comparatively dull and lifeless.

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:03 AM

View Postdaveinspain, on 10 March 2014 - 07:45 AM, said:

I've been high jacked…. [scared]

Sorry!
Partly my bad.

OK, to look at the issue seriously I think both Pin and Notes have mentioned most of the reasons from opposing sides.

Let's look at the specs of the Nighthawk Blueshawk;
Scale length : 25.5". Most Gibson's have a 24 3/4". Perhaps the longer scale length put regular Gibson pickers off?
P'ups : Two P-90s. Since 1957 most Gibson players have seemed to prefer full-size h'buckers given the choice.
Body : Two hollowed-out sound-chambers but in a body smaller than a Les Paul. Lack of precedence, perhaps, counted against it?
Neck : Simple markers and unbound neck made it less attractive to potential buyers?
Finish : Red, Blue, Black. Hardly pushing the envelope...
Bridge : Too 'Fender' in design?

And I don't think putting the name on the bass-side upper bout helped it much in the 'Class' stakes, either.

All-in-all perhaps it was a case of 'The Curate's Egg'? Neither Flesh nor Fowl nor Good Red Herring for the public's taste?
In some ways it was a restrained design but in others it was something totally new. It might be that this 'dual-personality' was a big problem?

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:53 AM

All valid points Pippy... I wound up with two by accident, I was gassing for one bad back in my guitar buying days and was bidding on the two in ebay... Won both ](*,) I do like the guitar but iI don't need two, one will go up for sale. The two i have are in perfect condition too, one's a 1997 and the other a 1998 if anyone is interested...
1971 SG Standard Lyre Maestro tremolo, Cherry, original patent number sticker humbuckers
1983 Corvus, old gold, 3 single coil pups with 5 way selector switch
1997 Blueshawk, red/gold hardware,2 blues 90 pups with rotary vary sound selector
2006 Gretsch Chat Atkins 6120DSW orange/gold hardware, 2 Dynasonic pups
2006 LP project, refinished with a gold leaf top, Seymour Duncan pups with Jimmy Page set-up
2006 Johnny A custom, 57 Classic pups
2007 JP EDS 1275, Jimmy Page pups
2007 LP classic Heritage Cherry Sunburst, 496R and 500T ceramic humbucker pups
2007 LP Robot Guitar 1st edition, 490R and 498T pups
2007 LP Custom black/gold hardware, 490R and 498T pups
2007 Brain May, Red Special 3 Andeson Tri-Sonics pups
2008 Alhambra Acoustic model Auditorium Luthier. Hand painted one of a kind...
2011 Fender Strat Mahogany Crimson Red 2 Tex Mex single coils, 1 humbucker and S1 switch
2013 Fender Acoustic CD140SCE NAT
2014 Pignose travel guitar, 1 humbucker with built-in speaker and 1watt amp

My SoundClick

See my video here

I don't want to be the fastest guitarist, I want to be a guitarist with lots feeling and able to express the music I hear in my head...

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 10:58 AM

I was always attracted to the look, of the Nighthawk/Blueshawk. It wasn't until I
actually got to play a few, that I decided it wasn't for me. I just didn't care for
the "feel," for some odd reason. "C'est La Vie!"

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