houndman55 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 As you probably already know Gibson stated awhile ago that prices would rise with roughly 29 % from 2015 onward. Have they motivated a reason why like mahogony or ebony is getting rarer and more expensive or something like that or do they "just feel like it"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Good luck on there higher prices.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibsonKramer Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Actually, they dropped the quality. You won't see a AA flame top, until you get up around $3000 now. They rate them as B now (which is substantial difference). Â I love Gibson. Waited 30 years to get one, now own two. Won't ever buy a new one again, however... until things change. I almost didn't buy one, because seemed like every single one had Min-Etune, coil-tap, splitting, etc. I grabbed the nicest, least gadgetry, LP, I could. Â Glad I did, when I did...might never have bought one had I walked in and seen/played the 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houndman55 Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 Actually, they dropped the quality. You won't see a AA flame top, until you get up around $3000 now. They rate them as B now (which is substantial difference). Â I love Gibson. Waited 30 years to get one, now own two. Won't ever buy a new one again, however... until things change. I almost didn't buy one, because seemed like every single one had Min-Etune, coil-tap, splitting, etc. I grabbed the nicest, least gadgetry, LP, I could. Â Glad I did, when I did...might never have bought one had I walked in and seen/played the 2015. Â Yeah it's like Microsoft with Windows 8. Completely forgetting and ignoring their past. Some kind off attempt to be "modern" and "innovative" but end but looking like a total joke. Don't get me wrong I love Gibson about up to this point, P90 Goldtop, L5, ES 330 etc. love all that stuff but what they offer now is highly strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 or do they "just feel like it"? Â They were probably playing one of the beautiful AA Top LPs and were inspired by the incredible enlightenment. Â Still I think its a decent time to find a well priced Gibson. Now next year I don't know. I don't have that gift of prophecy. Â Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 In my opinion suggesting prices is one thing, realizing them another. The market will create street prices by supply and demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 If the price increase was to help offset the employees wages to make Gibson the money they need I would be infavor of a increase .. but in reality.. it doesnt.. Â I offed all the new Gibsons I had.. Not worth the value paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houndman55 Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-GIB-LPCS15-LIST Â Â http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LPCS15HSNH-15 Â Guitars always go up I dont recognize this guitar anymore but its not that much more than I paid for my 2014. It looks the same but is so different I dont think I want one. Â Â Â Pretty cheap act to not include humbucker covers. Shouldn't humbucker covers be standard in guitar manufacutring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houndman55 Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 In my opinion suggesting prices is one thing, realizing them another. The market will create street prices by supply and demand. You're right, but isn't the thing that most people smile about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 You're right, but isn't the thing that most people smile about. Well, one could be patient hoping and waiting for a bargain, but I fear it's a bit different here. To my impressions, it will be mostly about products only few people really like. Â My guess is that Gibson will react and add some more conventional models during 2015, featuring "normal" headstock front and back, familiar fretboard, and manual machine heads. If the buyers appreciate them, and that's what I assume, they will cost dearly I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingfrets Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 As many have pointed out previously, it would've been one thing to bring what they call the "2015" models to market as additions to their lineup and let the buyer decide which they prefer. Making them the ONLY choice (with a few notable exceptions) was a decision I can't wrap my head around. Those of us who prefer the more traditional models will (sooner or later) drive prices up on the used market as well. But Gibson doesn't realized any of that revenue, so I can't understand the reasoning that went into the decision. Yeah, I get that maybe Gibson wanted to be seen as a little more forward thinking, but again, that could've been achieved by making these sweeping changes available as options, or as an additional model. Â FWIW, I've played 4 of the 2015s. As guitars, they were okay. I didn't hate them (except the wonky Min-e-tune/G-Force which didn't work properly on of 2 of the 4 I tried). But I didn't love them either. Not what comes to mind when I think of Gibson, and certainly not enough passion for me to cough up $3000+ for one. I already have what I want in Les Pauls & SGs and I'll stick with those. Â Just seems...wrong to have to spend more $$ backdating the '15s with traditional tuners, pots, nut etc after they've jacked the prices so high to begin with. And short of MAJOR surgery (and someone who knows what they're doing won't be cheap), you can't do anything about that neck. Â Who knows...maybe Gibson will "New Coke" us for 2016 and offer the models we know and love for an extra 70% above the revamped line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Hell I remove robo-tuners and battery preamps too but this years model is to far gone for me. Â Pretty much sums it up. They have over-done it, its really that simple imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 My guess is the new ideas they have on the new guitars will make last years model a historic reissue. of a reissue.. when there really not historicly correct on the reissues any way.. there just mistakes ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 It is lame, but do you honestly think all Gibson guitar sales will just halt. Be real. Gibson makes em and people buy em. It's the 6k and up guitars that sell that baffle me. Â No.. Gibson Guitars wont halt at all.. now for the 6 g and up guitars .. not the new ones.. no way ,... I dont see the value in those.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masliko Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Inflation my friends....its only going to get worse now that the US is not the leading world economy.Get used to it.Obama and Bush have destroyed US manufacturing,the ONLY time i will not buy a Gibson is when they are made somewhere other than the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I would not buy a new Gibson . Period.. lots of other makers making high quality guitars that deserve paying the dough for... my brother went through 5 Les paul standards.. last year.. not one was worthy of the 3500 price tag.. from warped necks, to splitting seams.. and these were guitars fresh out of the stores not even a week or two old.. the stores were not very helpful... more of a headache than anything.. so when a company can boost there prices up.. there are suckers out there to keep them rolling. Â I like Gibson Guitars and Ive bought many ....but now they look nice from a distance .. But I would not ever buy a new one.. lots of used ones to fill a void if it needs to be done without spending the hard earned dollar and loosing half as I walk out of the store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I find this hard to believe. Gibson has sent me 4 Les Pauls new in the box the last 4 years and sight unseen not one was a problem. Everyone right out of the box was perfect. Played perfect sounded perfect and looked perfect. So it seems a bit odd to me that your brother got 5 in a row that were defective. Im sorry Im just not buying that at all, maybe he was to picky? Maybe the truth is being stretched here I dont know but I cant believe 5 in a row were no good. Â Â Believe want you want.. I stand behind what Ive said. I also think for the money spent.. being picky is a good thing. Ive owned enough guitars to know what Ive seen and had to deal with. when the new Gibson got the ball rolling in the 90s.. they were on a good streak.. it fell along the way. somewhere.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I think the 2013-2014 years are some of the better guitars Gibson built in some time as far as QC. I don't think the QC is the issue here, though with reduced numbers of production models the QC should increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houndman55 Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Inflation my friends....its only going to get worse now that the US is not the leading world economy.Get used to it.Obama and Bush have destroyed US manufacturing,the ONLY time i will not buy a Gibson is when they are made somewhere other than the US. Â Remember when Obama wanted Gibson to relocate to Madagascar during the wood raid that produced the Government series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I think Gibson needs some people in the design department who actually played these guitars and know and understand their history from a players perspective. And it wouldn't hurt if they actually asked those who repetitively bought their guitars over the decades for survey consensus. Â This year is no different than the last two with experimental designs. Geez man that SG went through more changes in the last two years than a Walmart dressing room. And where did Gibson land with the SG this year, with two models Special and Standard. Astonishing as it is everyone I spoke to liked the SG Tribute 50 and 60 and 70, all gone. For example, when was a P-90 SG ever not popular? Its a freaking iconic design. Let me stop and be charitable. Â Maybe reverse psychology is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Also with QC and production =sales and profit/supply and demand. In theory for example again with the SG and two models. Production should be more consistent thus better quality should be expected? And for example a special P-90 run would be profitable, and be better constructed. So all that isn't bad. Whats certainly debatable is what design will sell, and to me it looks like a game of chance? Â For example if Fender increased their price and limited their US production line to Tele and Strat and added a roller nut on all of them how do you suppose that would go? Rather experimental if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
665 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-GIB-LPCS15-LIST Â Â http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LPCS15HSNH-15 Â Guitars always go up I dont recognize this guitar anymore but its not that much more than I paid for my 2014. It looks the same but is so different I dont think I want one. Â Â Â This thing looks terrible Who is going to pay over $2270 for an LP with a mismatched top, brass nut (seriously why???), terrible electronic tuners, some sort of boost switch instead of a tone control, and mutilated speed knobs? How do they have the balls to call this model a Les Paul "CLASSIC" - What is classic about any of this garbage???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I think it's only fair to suggest that the guitar shown probably HAS got a perfectly book-matched top. Having photographed quite a few of these myself I can say that the figure on many 'flame-tops' only really comes alive when the light comes from one particular direction. If the guitar here remained in the same place and the lighting-direction was reversed then it would be the opposite side which appeared to have the figure. It is precisely because of this phenomenon that in Yas Iwanade's book "The Beauty of the 'Burst" there is always what is called the " 'Burst View " to accompany the main shot. Â P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanHenry Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I have to agree with Donny re the "Gibson quality issues", on certain forums it seems to be "the in thing" to talk about poor Gibson quality. The only Gibson quality issue that I've ever seen is a slight flat spot on the top of a Les Paul Studio Tribute Goldtop, the rest of the guitar was fantastic, so much so that I still bought it. Every other Gibson that I've seen, the build quality has been flawless. The most vocal Gibson knockers seem to be Martin owners, I think that's a bit rich comparing the companies, when one makes guitars from the same materials that kitchen worktops are made from! Â Â Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Right, probably looks completely different at a slightly different angle. [top figuring] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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