GuitarLight Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrorod Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Actually…I wish Gibson would just put the pick guard in the case when they ship, and let the owner decide to put on the pick guard or not. THEN they could either use the factory supplied pick guard, get and after market guard, put it on covering the rosette, put it on not covering the rosette or toss it in the trash. Ahhh..that felt good! Right on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrorod Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 This whole topic thread makes me SO GLAD that I only buy vintage ....not new Gibsons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hall Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Hallgroper....So then your cheap flubber--rubberized Hummingbird pick guard, according to you, did indeed peel off your $3100 Gibson guitar?? ....Could that have happened because of over polishing it? ...or perhaps some polish film seeping under the flubber guard loosened up the flubberware and caused it to peel off? Also you commented on volume and tone being better when the rubberized hummingbird pick guard peeled off....I must say my own bird suffers from what I consider an unexpected loss of treble volume and muted tone, and I am concerned that this cheap molded rubber Hummingbird pick guard, ...that Gibson did not tell me about when buying it ...that maybe this is responsible for the muted trebles and tone on the new Hummingbirds. I removed the white plastic pins... for Ebony wood pins because like most people...I don't like PLASTIC on my guitars...now I discover that the ENTIRE Hummingbird pick guard is made of cheap molded soft jell rubber that peels off and sucks tone. And when it does peel off....we get to beg Gibson for a replacement. But why bother...who wants another rubber jell pick guard anyway. Looks like another case of poor planning and poor quality on Gibsons part. While the pattern on the old pick guards may have worn off with time....WHO IN THE WORLD WANTS A RUBBER PICK GUARD ON A $3100 GUITAR? ...The Asians are pleased I guess, they are the ones getting paid by Gibson to make them. GuitarLight.... #1. The pickguard lifted at the points regularly. But, it didn't peel off at all. I haven't ever used polish on the Hummingbird. #2. For a couple of years I just pressed the points back in place at each playing. It was out of curiosity to sound/volume (not a new issue here) that I removed it. The guitar sounded better to me and so I replaced the guard with a thin one and maintain the original. #3. I have nothing against the plastic pins myself and on most of my guitars I stay with the stock pins, re: personal matter to every owner. #4. Eh, the thick guards are not my favorite for certain, but I knew what I was buying as I played the guitar before purchase. I probably never would have investigated the sound issue had the guard not lifted and the matter not have been of interest here. steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlejohnny Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Hallgroper....So then your cheap flubber--rubberized Hummingbird pick guard, according to you, did indeed peel off your $3100 Gibson guitar?? ....Could that have happened because of over polishing it? ...or perhaps some polish film seeping under the flubber guard loosened up the flubberware and caused it to peel off? Also you commented on volume and tone being better when the rubberized hummingbird pick guard peeled off....I must say my own bird suffers from what I consider an unexpected loss of treble volume and muted tone, and I am concerned that this cheap molded rubber Hummingbird pick guard, ...that Gibson did not tell me about when buying it ...that maybe this is responsible for the muted trebles and tone on the new Hummingbirds. I removed the white plastic pins... for Ebony wood pins because like most people...I don't like PLASTIC on my guitars...now I discover that the ENTIRE Hummingbird pick guard is made of cheap molded soft jell rubber that peels off and sucks tone. And when it does peel off....we get to beg Gibson for a replacement. But why bother...who wants another rubber jell pick guard anyway. Looks like another case of poor planning and poor quality on Gibsons part. While the pattern on the old pick guards may have worn off with time....WHO IN THE WORLD WANTS A RUBBER PICK GUARD ON A $3100 GUITAR? ...The Asians are pleased I guess, they are the ones getting paid by Gibson to make them. GuitarLight.... #1. The pickguard lifted at the points regularly. But, it didn't peel off at all. I haven't ever used polish on the Hummingbird. #2. For a couple of years I just pressed the points back in place at each playing. It was out of curiosity to sound/volume (not a new issue here) that I removed it. The guitar sounded better to me and so I replaced the guard with a thin one and maintain the original. #3. I have nothing against the plastic pins myself and on most of my guitars I stay with the stock pins, re: personal matter to every owner. #4. Eh, the thick guards are not my favorite for certain, but I knew what I was buying as I played the guitar before purchase. I probably never would have investigated the sound issue had the guard not lifted and the matter not have been of interest here. steve Steve, how old is your bird, my understanding is, that gibson changed the pick guard material in question just recently (mayby 2 years ago?). So you and GL talk about different kind of guards. And GL, do I remember correct that you were so pleased with your new bird??? Now that you know what kind of guard is on you don't like it anymore. Whatever, one more reason to go for a TV bird, which has the old, thick but not flubber made guard :-" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hall Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Steve, how old is your bird, my understanding is, that gibson changed the pick guard material in question just recently (mayby 2 years ago?). So you and GL talk about different kind of guards. And GL, do I remember correct that you were so pleased with your new bird??? Now that you know what kind of guard is on you don't like it anymore. Whatever, one more reason to go for a TV bird, which has the old, thick but not flubber made guard :-" littlejohnny - Without going downstairs and checking for certain, my Hummingbird of issue in the post is probably more than 5 yrs old. But, it came with the thick soft embedded design guard for sure. The Hummingbird model is not my daily go to Gibson, although I have always had one around! This one is still a fine guitar with or without the thick guard. I prefer the thin one though and sure see your point on a TV. . steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarLight Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ues Boy Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 This whole thread about pickguards and Flubber is Drama my Gibson J-15 sounds fantastic I did put a Firestripe pickguard on for a different look is does not sound any better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hall Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 This whole thread about pickguards and Flubber is Drama my Gibson J-15 sounds fantastic I did put a Firestripe pickguard on for a different look is does not sound any better It is subjective for certain. steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Guitar Lite, Can I supply my own questions to your answers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrorod Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 This whole thread about pickguards and Flubber is Drama my Gibson J-15 sounds fantastic I did put a Firestripe pickguard on for a different look is does not sound any better Imagine that! ...drama on the Gibson acoustic Forum....! Some actually obsess over the paper label inside of their guitar....OR....the quality of the air inside of their acoustic "sound box".... Flubber scares me....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarLight Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Guitar Lite, Can I supply my own questions to your answers? Certainly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djw171 Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 This whole thread about pickguards and Flubber is Drama my Gibson J-15 sounds fantastic I did put a Firestripe pickguard on for a different look is does not sound any better Just to clarify, since I started the thread. It was not started in anyway as drama or discussing the 'tone sucking' properties of 'flubber'. I just wanted to know if anyone knew what the material is as I wanted to try and obtain a aftermarket pickguard in the same material. anyway.... I asked Gibson what the material was a for the pickguard on the J15 couple of weeks back..here is the response: This PG is the same material that is used on the Hummingbird and the J-200. It is a more flexible material and does feel softer. This is the correct PG for that model. Gibson would make great politicians..unable to just answer a straight forward question with a straight forward answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-1854Me Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 FWIW, the teardrop pickguard on my 2011 J-50 appears to have been printed: I examined it using a small lens and it's swirly patterns are composed of dots, as you would see in a printed image or photograph. The guitar sounds great, btw. Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62burst Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 ... ... and Soylent Green is people. Coming of age in an era of conspiracy and scams, it would be easy to question changes in materials used. Each is a compromise: Hummingbird guards thick enough to add durability to the design, yet flexible enough to resist the infamous . J-45 pickguards thin enough to maximize vibration of the top, while being thick enough to offer dimensionality to the tortoise pattern. Martin's been there, done that, too. Did you buy it for the pickguard? Like tuners, you can make it your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrorod Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Yikes....soylent green..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ues Boy Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I wasn't questioning your concerns about the pickguard and I can see your thoughts but I do feel the stock pickguard is fine for the J-15 looks nice and in my opinion just the right thickness Just to clarify, since I started the thread. It was not started in anyway as drama or discussing the 'tone sucking' properties of 'flubber'. I just wanted to know if anyone knew what the material is as I wanted to try and obtain a aftermarket pickguard in the same material. anyway.... I asked Gibson what the material was a for the pickguard on the J15 couple of weeks back..here is the response: “This PG is the same material that is used on the Hummingbird and the J-200. It is a more flexible material and does feel softer. This is the correct PG for that model.” Gibson would make great politicians..unable to just answer a straight forward question with a straight forward answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assenphat Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I have a Hummingbird made in June of 2011, which I bought new not long after that. It has a flubber/gel pickguard, After reading this thread I poked it with a guitar pick under bright light and I can confirm it is indeed gelatinous. I never knew it until now. I admit it's a bit disappointing to realize after more than 4 years that my guitar has a dampening material for a pickguard, but nonetheless I never felt the tone lacked a single thing, and I now noticed the 'guard has no pick scratches. I would gander that even a plastic pickguard would inhibit resonance. But I don't care, the guitar sounds stellar. While I'm on the topic of pickguards, I had a 2010 Martin D-41 that cost $3,999 new, and it had their infamous "purple dot matrix" pickguard: a plastic tortoise shell pickguard that, upon close inspection revealed that the tortoise appearance was merely printed in reddish-purple with a very visible dot matrix pattern. The guard looked normal under indoor lighting, but as soon as it was under bright light or sunshine it looked more purple than reddish brown. There was a lot of screaming, wailing and gnashing of teeth over that at the time. Quite disappointing what guitar making seems to be slowly coming to these days, not to mention the outrageous prices many of them command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorrisrownSal Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Ok. This is the last straw! I am ordering a new pickguard for my J45! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissouriPicker Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I'm with you, Sal. That damn pickguard or piece of flubber has been on my Hummingbird for some ten years now. Sucks-up all the volume. I can't even hear the guitar if it's not plugged-in. I'm peeling that damn thing off and then if I can hear the guitar I'll just get a permanent marker and draw some kind of bird near the soundhole (not touching the rosette). Likely be dumping the J15 too. BTW, assenphat, welcome to the Gibby forum. We had this discussion months ago, but it's always good to rehash it...lol....welcome abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Ok. This is the last straw! I am ordering a new pickguard for my J45! Can i have the old one? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorrisrownSal Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 1448781688[/url]' post='1716415']Can i have the old one? :) I'll send it to you, you can roll it up and smoke it mon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparquelito Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 It appears that the flubber-like pick guard sucks up all the noise coming from the guitar. I wonder if I can get my in-laws to glue one to their face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorrisrownSal Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 1448793048[/url]' post='1716443']It appears that the flubber-like pick guard sucks up all the noise coming from the guitar. I wonder if I can get my in-laws to glue one to their face? Well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 I'll send it to you, you can roll it up and smoke it mon. Lol. Was gonna roll it up find euroaussie and shove it where sun dont shine for starting the which key is angie in thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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