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Hello guys,

 

I have a question for you...

 

According to your experience and knowledge and talking in terms of "Quality"...

 

What version of the Epiphone Casino is the best?

 

An Elitist? the 1961 Anniversary? The inspired by Lennon? Or the AIUSA Lennon?

 

I've had the opportunity to play all the "modern" versions of the Casino, and for me the best of them is the AIUSA model.

 

What do you think?

 

Kind regards,

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I have an Elitist and two of the Assembled in USA Lennon models, the Revolution and the '65. I prefer the AIUSA models to the Elitist. That said, you're not likely to find many guitars at any comparable price level better than an Elitist. The AIUSA Lennon Casinos are basically Elitists with vintage wiring, vintage spec nuts/saddles, nitro finish, and some other true-to-the-era appointments.

 

The Japanese Terada facility where both models were/are made is among the best in the world (Gibson put the electronics, tuners, and other hardware on the Terada-made and finished bodies in order to call the AIUSA Lennon models "Assembled in the USA"). I've also heard it said that Gibson outsourced the body of the Eric Clapton ES-335 to Terada, as there were no forms for a 60's ES shape (pointier horns) in the USA at that time.

 

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I've also heard it said that Gibson outsourced the body of the Eric Clapton ES-335 to Terada, as there were no forms for a 60's ES shape (pointier horns) in the USA at that time.

I've seen information from an industry source (and former Gibson employee) stating that the Clapton body was "outsourced."

 

Imho, this could only mean Terada, given Gibson's long standing relationship with the company in the realm of hollow & semi-hollowbody electrics. Their build quality is absolutely first rate.

 

I'm fortunate enough to have three Terada built guitars (AIUSA '64 JLH Sheraton, '64 McCartney Texan, Elitist Casino), and they are exceptionally fine instruments.

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I have an Elitist and an old regular Korean made Casino. Both different, but I can not say one is better. I like them both.

 

IMO it comes down to personal preference.

 

Same here - a 2005 regular MIK and a 2010 Elitist. The Elitist is a nicer guitar, but for some reason I end up playing the Korean one more but I wouldn't get rid of either of them.

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I have a 2010 Elitist (see avatar). I love this thing. I agree with Macca, that if I could only have one guitar...

 

That said, any Casino is better than no Casino. I can honestly say that the workmanship on mine (thank you Terada) is second to none. Have I said that I love this thing?

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I have a 2010 Elitist (see avatar). I love this thing. I agree with Macca, that if I could only have one guitar...

 

That said, any Casino is better than no Casino. I can honestly say that the workmanship on mine (thank you Terada) is second to none. Have I said that I love this thing?

 

 

Dennis, I presume you added the Bigsby to your Elitist? is that a B7 model? Weren't you concerned about screwing into the top face? I'm wanting to put one on mine, but I was thinking about the B3 model, so I wouldn't have to use screws. Or is yours a B3 model?

 

Thanks for sharing any info you might have...

 

John

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Dennis, I presume you added the Bigsby to your Elitist? is that a B7 model? Weren't you concerned about screwing into the top face? I'm wanting to put one on mine, but I was thinking about the B3 model, so I wouldn't have to use screws. Or is yours a B3 model?

 

Thanks for sharing any info you might have...

 

John

John,

It's a B7, and for this one, I had my luthier do the install. I figure if Macca and Harrison's Casino's have lasted for decades with the Bigsby, I'd be okay. I did do the install on my Dot (a B700), and found it to be no big deal, but I'm still thinking that on the Casino, I'd still have the luthier do it. FWIW, I bought the Bigsby on Amazon for a lot less than anywhere else, and he just charged me labor for the install (I'm guessing about $50 because I had some other stuff done at the same time). Have at it.

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John,

It's a B7, and for this one, I had my luthier do the install. I figure if Macca and Harrison's Casino's have lasted for decades with the Bigsby, I'd be okay. I did do the install on my Dot (a B700), and found it to be no big deal, but I'm still thinking that on the Casino, I'd still have the luthier do it. FWIW, I bought the Bigsby on Amazon for a lot less than anywhere else, and he just charged me labor for the install (I'm guessing about $50 because I had some other stuff done at the same time). Have at it.

 

 

Thanks so much...

 

With Macca and the rest, I figure that those were factory installs with extra bracing for the Bigsby (not sure about that). I should check with Mike Voltz at Gibson to ask whether their Bigsby installed ES330's have any extra bracing. Hmmmm.

 

But thanks so much!

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Macca and Harrison also have unlimited resources to take care of their instruments at the highest level. Not to say that other people don't do a good job. But they are in a totally different league.

True that, although I trust my luthier (that did this install) enough to have advised me if he felt there might be an issue. The Bigsby's been there for a couple of years now, and no prob's. I think I'd have noticed something by now. In any event, the Elitist Casino is the "sweetest" guitar that I own, and my "go to".

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Macca and Harrison also have unlimited resources to take care of their instruments at the highest level. Not to say that other people don't do a good job. But they are in a totally different league.

 

What they had back then was crude compared to today. They took their guitars to a luthier sometimes and did the work themselves sometimes. They didn't use the guitar tech guy like the big rockers all seem to have today. A lot of the Beatle instruments had screw holes in several places as they moved pickups around. Lennon stuck Grover tuners on his Casino himself. They strung their own strings. They painted their own guitars with cheap paint and fingernail polish. Ringo was notorious for doing self mods to his drums. Read Steve Babiuk's book "Beatles Gear". They didn't spend big bucks on instrument maintenance. They did it themselves mostly. Lennon's Casino had several different paint coats as well as stripping done to it. He did get a guy to spray paint it once. He did pay a guy to strip it once but mostly the Beatles were very hands on type musicians.

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I've got Babuik's book, and you're right. For as famous as they were, they were NOT gear whores, and did do a lot of their stuff themselves (probably dates back to the Hamburg days). I was at the NAMM show a few years ago and spent about half an hour just staring at George's "old black Gretsch" (the DuoJet), rotating in a glass cage. Nicks, dings, scratches, wow...let's not forget that he had the back and sides painted black to match Lennon's Ric, which had also been painted black (Teddy Boy's, remember?).

 

George also hand painted his Strat, and the Gibby LP "Lucy" was repainted to the red color (can't remember if that was before or after he got it).

 

And Lennon's history of his mod's to his guitars, both Ric's and Casino's, is well, history...LOL

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