Smurfbird Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gibson-Acoustic-Southern-Jumbo-True-Vintage-Vintage-Sunburst-Acoustic-Guitar/161669987188?_trksid=p5411.c100167.m2940&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140131123730%26meid%3D246da7c0dace4ed08568f2214913a6b2%26pid%3D100167%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D111614334111 Hopefully that link above works or this entire thread is RUINED. It's someone selling a Southern Jumbo True Vintage with a nasty scratch that might be more than that, so as far as the seller is concerned, if you get it and it turns out braces are loose and the scratch is actually a major defect in the structural integrity of the guitar, well then you took our chance and you lost. But if it's just cosmetic, you might get yourself a deal. I think we should all sell our guitars this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky1 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 The link worked for me. I don't think I could take a chance though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 . From the looks of the damage, my guess is the guitar was in the case and someone/something sat on the case and flexed the top down into the guitar and in turn flexed down the guitar top causing the unusual looking finish damage. I'm thinking it's just finish damage and not too expensive to repair. If the price doesn't get bid up too high I would go for it, but I already have a SJ TV. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I have never let a crack, loose braces and such stand between me and a guitar. Just so long as a deep discount comes along with it. I agree with the above though in that it does not look like a crack to me but just one big nasty scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fp Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 It looks to me like the center seem opened up and cracked the finish. Probably a dryness issue caused it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fp Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Well, anyone here going to try and snag this one ? No bids yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nid2007 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I made an offer yesterday that was firmly rejected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Yea, don't know. There is a side of me that says if you are going to sell something, you have it, you NOT check it out yourself, find out, and sell it for what it is? Gonna sell something for real money and tell ME to guess? There is another side of me that says this guy KNOWS it's just a finish issue, nothing wrong with it, but buyers being what they are, just feels the need to avoid the ones who would make up reasons to be unhappy. Nah. Not for me. I need to feel the good vibes when spending real money for something real. Saving a few bucks? Not good enough vibes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nid2007 Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I got a response from the owner saying he/she was very confident it would go for more than I offered. Will be interesting to see what it sells at. I was willing to take a risk a bit above the initial listed price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewilyfool Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 After a few bad burns…..I've come to this philosophy: "Play before pay, try before buy!" I will NEVER buy a guitar on line that doesn't have a return policy, PERIOD! This guy could take that guitar to any luthier, and he could tell him if braces are loose (or broken if someone sat on it!), if it is a crack that needs repair, etc. FOR FREE!!??? Why is he posting like this??? Again, buyer beware! I'm speculating that he knows MORE than he is posting, and covering his butt by giving this vague description of "maybe's"……how do some folks sleep at night? I would set aside $600 for possible repairs on this guitar, and for a few dollars more, you can get a used one in mint condition……so, is it worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I got a response from the owner saying he/she was very confident it would go for more than I offered. Will be interesting to see what it sells at. I was willing to take a risk a bit above the initial listed price. As Dirty Harry would say, "you've got to ask yourself one question: do I feel lucky?" It would be one thing if you could inspect it. As is, "pig in a poke" best describes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 After a few bad burns…..I've come to this philosophy: "Play before pay, try before buy!" I will NEVER buy a guitar on line that doesn't have a return policy, PERIOD! This guy could take that guitar to any luthier, and he could tell him if braces are loose (or broken if someone sat on it!), if it is a crack that needs repair, etc. FOR FREE!!??? Why is he posting like this??? Again, buyer beware! I'm speculating that he knows MORE than he is posting, and covering his butt by giving this vague description of "maybe's"……how do some folks sleep at night? I would set aside $600 for possible repairs on this guitar, and for a few dollars more, you can get a used one in mint condition……so, is it worth it? Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 So, what is this thing worth without any issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurfbird Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 This is why I posted this link. I was annoyed that the seller would refuse to find out what the issues are -- or refuse to admit them -- and then think he can get off by disclosing nothing other than 'well, golly, something's up with this guitar." I think if he could have repaired it for a fair price and then sold it for a decent profit, he would've, But instead he figures this is the best way to make the most money on it. How some people sleep at night, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fp Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Here is my question to the seller. "It looks to me like maybe the top seam open up and caused the lacquer to crack. Can you feel if the wood seam itself has separated or feel like it's risen ? Did you look inside with a mirror to see what you can see" ? His reply, "I have looked at it quite thoroughly and did not find evidence of the top splitting. But I am not going to guarantee that it is not cracked at all" ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny V. Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 He also states "the action is a little high". No closeups of the saddle or string height. It's attractive at the price, but if it needs work other than cosmetics you may invest a bunch more in a guitar that will always have stories. On the other hand, it could be a deal. Who wants to roll the dice?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 He also states "the action is a little high". No closeups of the saddle or string height. It's attractive at the price, but if it needs work other than cosmetics you may invest a bunch more in a guitar that will always have stories. On the other hand, it could be a deal. Who wants to roll the dice?? Is it a deal? How much is it worth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Is it a deal? How much is it worth? There's a very similar custom shop SJ apparently in excellent condition on ebay now for $1850. No issues, according to the seller. You pays your money, and you takes your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pesh Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I would risk it, if the seller is unwilling to look into it. I could accept damage but want to have more information before parting with that kind of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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