Bartek Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Hi Folks! I stumbled upon a guitar described as 100% American Les Paul. I tried it, and I'm not convinced. First I'm confused with truss rod cover that says "Les Paul Custom", but there's no diamond on the headstock. Also, the neck seems to be made of two pieces of wood, which seems unusual to me. They guy wants to sell it for $1600. I took some pictures, I'd appreciate if you could express your opinions. Here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u7zbq9hy0z4x7ql/AAAdNVPPBN0-DMezbtp407pka?dl=0 all pics in big res. Many thanks, Bartek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 It a real Gibson that looks like it had neck surgery done to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartek Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 It a real Gibson that looks like it had neck surgery done to it Thanks for the reply. Any idea how this surgery affects the value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Hello and welcome to the Forums! I am not convinced about it's authenticity. First, why would anyone scarf-joint a Gibson headstock to any guitar? Headstock breakage is not repaired that way! Wrong bridge (might be a replacement, though), poor quality pickup surround rings. Seemingly off-placed pots. Making me more suspicious, is the absense of complete body shots. I'd stay away. Good luck... Bence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duane v Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Just saw the other pictures....... I dunno about that one...... ..... Stay away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartek Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 I also got this photo of the whole body. Not the best quality but may help. I saw the guitar and played it. The switch is lose and doesn't turn on pickups firmly. The knobs are no different than on my Epiphone LP Standard, while I expected better quality. Thanks for your replies. I'd rather stay away as you advised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Wise decision! That is an obvious fake. Even the body contour is all wrong. Best wishes... Bence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 . Looks like a Chinese fake made with Epi parts and a scarfed neck to me. Glad you pulled back. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 YIKES... so so fake... and that burst looks awful... Plus the truss rod cover says Custom.. If it were a real gibby, it certainly shows no sign of a custom guitar... its just all wrong (let alone that scarf joint ).. Booooooo! Someone needs to report the seller if they are selling it as Gibson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jshort Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 lol @ the nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartek Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 Well, yeah, I immediately told the seller I had my doubts about this one's authenticity to which he replied he would send me pictures of the certificate (as he didn't have it with him at the time). Never sent, though... Many thanks for all your responses. I learnt a lot. Cheers, Bartek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Forrest Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Good choice Barteck. I'm with the others and glad you stayed away. Welcome to the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeman Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 lol @ the nut. Seriously! yuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartek Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 Good choice Barteck. I'm with the others and glad you stayed away. Welcome to the forum! Thank Mark! And I appreciate your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajay Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Horrible Fake. They even tried to mess with the width of Les's signature, but only in one place. That guy is a thief and should be reported to Gibson. They will prostitute, er prosecute that loser. He paid about $230 for that mess. Kick his butt. Did You actually go over to his house? You should go back and kick his butt for trying to steal a large chunk of change from You.Actually, You should get the police involved. I believe $1600 would constitute a Grand a Larceny. That's no different than writing You a bad check for $1370. Go after the dirty thief. He is just plain SCUM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEADKNOCKER Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Don't you love how the nut is shimmed with scraps of paper & the scarf Joint almost looks like one on a Jackson/Charvel IF that's Real Les Paul that's had it's headstock broken severely off & comes with an original case it's worth $300 A real luthier would have charged some change to make a headstock/neck etc. A real luthier would have put a new nut on it too!! RUN AWAY!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firegirl Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I am by no means an expert but there is something not right about it. Can't place what exactly though. The headstock doesn't look right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajay Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 ANY time You EVER see a scarf joint in the neck, like the running joint below the headstock, run like H*ll. And if You get a chance to punch the idiot for lying to You and trying to steal money from You, smack that sucker HARD! He's trying to take money from Your kids, or worse yet, YOU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 You know at first I though that someone had put a Gibby headstock on an Epi or something... I now don't even think the head is real... It seems like a one piece headstock and Gibson don't do that.. they use wings and its usually obvious where the join is... that guitars headstock I cant see any join lines.. even the shape of the open book top doesn't look defined enough Like, this is the back of my LP Classic.. very obvious And even when painted its usually easy to see the join lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 The scarf joint is a dead give away as a fake anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErickC Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 First, why would anyone scarf-joint a Gibson headstock to any guitar? Headstock breakage is not repaired that way! That is incorrect. In extreme cases, a new headstock will be scarfed on. However, in that case, the joint would be in a completely different direction. The scarf would start at the nut, and angle down towards the back of the neck. This is obviously not the case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 this one is clearly a fake... the factory set scarf joint is just ONE of the obvious miss-fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartek Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 I guess you will not be surprised that the seller virtually dissappeared. Meanwhile I found another Les Paul standard, which I'm sure isn't fake, but the guy wants 2800$ which is way more than my budget. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I guess you will not be surprised that the seller virtually disappeared. me -> Shocked! (not!) I suppose with the current street prices for NEW les pauls, this has pushed the used market up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPWilliams Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Is this the same guitar? Looks like the same serial number. Supposedly a gold top? http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/64039-help-is-this-a-real-les-paul-standard/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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