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#61 User is offline   Vinlander 

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Posted 30 October 2015 - 10:18 AM

I would definitely not be happy if it would happen on my Tal.
I understand however why they keep using the material in the context of historic reissue.
On the other hand, I play it regularly so it can breath out of the case every week.
If I would really need to store the guitar for a very long time, parano as I am I would probably remove the guard.

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Posted 30 October 2015 - 07:19 PM

I see a some are still contributing to this thread, but it probably should be removed.

Not because the issue of gassing guards isn't real, but the poster and most of the stuff he posted on this thread isn't real. And most of the post are his. This guy posted this thread to start crap, and he very likely doesn't even own any Gibson guitars, but least of all the guitars he posted about. He did it to get us going and perhaps try and give Gibson a bad reputation through false accusation.

A REAL thread on this issue is worthwhile, and I think there are on this forum.

This wasn't that kinda thread.
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Posted 31 October 2015 - 10:01 AM

here is just one of my expensive Gibsons that had the outrageous pickguard deterioration, this is the third guitar like that. take a look, I had to remove that pickguard. Attached Image: IMG_3183.JPG A super400


Stein you do'nt know what you are talking about.
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The Gold parts started to turn green and oxidize with that defective part.
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Posted 31 October 2015 - 11:06 AM

View PostMaxiumburnN, on 31 October 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

here is just one of my expensive Gibsons that had the outrageous pickguard deterioration, this is the third guitar like that. take a look, I had to remove that pickguard. Attachment IMG_3183.JPG A super400


Stein you do'nt know what you are talking about.
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The Gold parts started to turn green and oxidize with that defective part.



It's pretty unusual to see that happen on several guitars at the same time, if that's what has happened. Do you have other Gibsons (or other guitars with pickguards) that don't have this problem, that are stored in a similar manner?

I've owned Gibsons for 50 years, and have only had this happen on one guitar, and that was a guitar that already had the problem when I bought it. I don't know if there are potential environmental issues that can add to the problem, or what.

The 1947 L-7 I bought with a disintegrating pickguard was owned for 60+ years by a very heavy smoker, and both guitar and the case it was in absolutely reeked of tobacco smoke. It took me days to clean the nicotine off the inside and outside of the guitar.

Fortunately, the insides of these old archtops are usually sealed with what appears to be shellac or something similar. I had to get rid of the case (actually a heavy, airtight gig bag of the same vintage as the guitar). My wife wouldn't let me bring it in the house.
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Posted 31 October 2015 - 11:18 AM

View PostMaxiumburnN, on 11 August 2015 - 09:07 AM, said:

These guitars it worth over $10,000 it doesn't make any sense that they manufacture a part that is defective under certain conditions meaning it's in its case too long???which is ridiculous. Maybe they need to design a case that lets oxygen in and vapors out at while making it waterproof at the same time. Have you thought of that?
It's just too much money to be spending on something that you have to replace that you thought was a luxury item but it falls apart it's not right!
I want to know what Gibson is going to do about it?



With all due respect, two of these guitars are 40 years old. Unless you are the original owner, surely you can't expect Gibson to cover this under some kind of warranty?

I don't know why this would happen on the newer guitar, unless it was stored in close proximity to the others, or was kept in a case that had previously held one of the old guitars. I sometimes put new guitars in old cases, and vice-versa.
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Posted 31 October 2015 - 11:27 AM

Is this discussion still going on? Talk about beating a dead horse. This thread should have been locked about 50 posts ago.

Everything to be said on this subject I wrote in post #7.
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Posted 01 November 2015 - 04:38 AM

View Postj45nick, on 31 October 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:

With all due respect, two of these guitars are 40 years old. Unless you are the original owner, surely you can't expect Gibson to cover this under some kind of warranty?

I don't know why this would happen on the newer guitar, unless it was stored in close proximity to the others, or was kept in a case that had previously held one of the old guitars. I sometimes put new guitars in old cases, and vice-versa.



This happened to 3 Gibsons over 10 years. Gibson should cover these particular guitars because they are supposed to be the very best luxury items and are very costly to obtain.
They clearly should have a guarantee for the faulty construction but not misuse. Since they claim to be the best they need to admit the well documented defect and fix it.
If someone could pull up the Archtop guarantee I'd like to see it.
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Posted 01 November 2015 - 04:05 PM

View PostMaxiumburnN, on 01 November 2015 - 04:38 AM, said:

This happened to 3 Gibsons over 10 years. Gibson should cover these particular guitars because they are supposed to be the very best luxury items and are very costly to obtain.
They clearly should have a guarantee for the faulty construction but not misuse. Since they claim to be the best they need to admit the well documented defect and fix it.
If someone could pull up the Archtop guarantee I'd like to see it.


This is the Gibson warranty that applies to all new instruments. The particular warranty copied here is for a Gibson Nashville Custom Shop Historic Collection archtop that I own, but it's the same warranty supplied with all new instruments Gibson makes, to the best of my knowledge.

Note that the warranty is for the life of the original owner, and is not transferable. Since you are not the original owner, your guitars are clearly not covered, any more than your 40-year-old Ferrari's engine would be, even if you were the original owner.

You're on your own from here on out. I don't think anyone here can help you.

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Posted 01 November 2015 - 06:54 PM

View Postj45nick, on 01 November 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

This is the Gibson warranty that applies to all new instruments. The particular warranty copied here is for a Gibson Nashville Custom Shop Historic Collection archtop that I own, but it's the same warranty supplied with all new instruments Gibson makes, to the best of my knowledge.

Note that the warranty is for the life of the original owner, and is not transferable. Since you are not the original owner, your guitars are clearly not covered, any more than your 40-year-old Ferrari's engine would be, even if you were the original owner.

You're on your own from here on out. I don't think anyone here can help you.

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I guess you represent Gibson since you seem to speaking for everyone in the forum? Who said I'm not the original owner??? Please be careful how you answer this question because you really don't know who I am.
If you represent the company you should state it.
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Posted 01 November 2015 - 08:24 PM

View PostMaxiumburnN, on 01 November 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

I guess you represent Gibson since you seem to speaking for everyone in the forum? Who said I'm not the original owner??? Please be careful how you answer this question because you really don't know who I am.
If you represent the company you should state it.



Look at your own first post. You said one of these guitars was a 2006 guitar that you recently purchased.

If you are the original owner of these guitars, and purchased them from an authorized Gibson dealer, you might have a valid warranty claim. If you aren't the original owner, you don't. Now, please go away. I'm finished here.
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Posted 01 November 2015 - 08:53 PM

View PostCR9, on 11 August 2015 - 10:51 AM, said:

My "guess" is that Gibson will do nothing about it. They made a guitar to play, not store, and a case to carry it in, not to store it. It is obvious that it was stored for a time in poor temp/humidity conditions. Gibson did not make or suggest those conditions. I am sorry for your loss on such great instruments. Check the warranty card on those instruments from when you purchased them new or ask your dealer about a warranty claim.



View PostCR9, on 11 August 2015 - 11:41 AM, said:

The majority of purchasers of Gibson Custom Shop guitars prefer as close to vintage materials as possible. Yes Gibson could to use other materials, but have chosen to try to stay true to as close to vintage as possible. What did your selling dealer tell you about a warranty replacement? It sounds more like you came here to start a confrontation rather than gain information.



View PostSteveFord, on 26 August 2015 - 06:30 AM, said:

I was waiting for him to post a picture of his actual guitar but that never happened.





View PostMaxiumburnN, on 07 October 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

It doesn't matter if I am the original owner. It is a defective product. The fact that some of them were bought used and some where bought new with the same problem only re-enforces my claim. And why would I show my receipts??? I don't know you and you're not trying to help. It is the light brown tortoise shell pick guards that have this problem.



View PostMaxiumburnN, on 11 October 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

Yeah the manufactures always try to blame the defective part on the person who's operating whatever the machinery or the car or whatever and it takes a court case to show them what time of day it is. But nowadays the public sympathizes with the people.
If you work for Gibson a better time to wise up
You can't hang with the debate bro give it up..



View PostMaxiumburnN, on 12 October 2015 - 01:21 PM, said:

It is clear all you mother****ers work for the company.



View PostMaxiumburnN, on 01 November 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

I guess you represent Gibson since you seem to speaking for everyone in the forum? Who said I'm not the original owner??? Please be careful how you answer this question because you really don't know who I am.
If you represent the company you should state it.

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#72 User is offline   stein 

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Posted 01 November 2015 - 08:59 PM

View PostMaxiumburnN, on 01 November 2015 - 04:38 AM, said:


If someone could pull up the Archtop guarantee I'd like to see it.



View Postj45nick, on 01 November 2015 - 04:05 PM, said:

This is the Gibson warranty that applies to all new instruments. .....
Note that the warranty is for the life of the original owner, and is not transferable. Since you are not the original owner, your guitars are clearly not covered,

You're on your own from here on out. I don't think anyone here can help you.

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View PostMaxiumburnN, on 01 November 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

I guess you represent Gibson since you seem to speaking for everyone in the forum? Who said I'm not the original owner??? Please be careful how you answer this question because you really don't know who I am.
If you represent the company you should state it.

See how he is?

He's had plenty of "help", but gets NASTY when he actually gets it.

His motivation isn't to fix anything, it's to bash Gibson.
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Posted 02 November 2015 - 07:49 AM

View Poststein, on 01 November 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

See how he is?

He's had plenty of "help", but gets NASTY when he actually gets it.

His motivation isn't to fix anything, it's to bash Gibson.

You guys have got me all wrong. I'm trying to motivate you and Gibson to make a guitar that lives up to the brand.
Because I am passionate about Gibson guitars is in that clear from my statements.
the thing that bothers me about this form is that some of you guys represent the company and you're trying to totally deflect any criticism of it. But, you're also not stating that you do represent the company so it looks like you know it could be just some Joe blow guy in the forum which makes it a deception.
When in reality you guys should be saying stuff like yeah you know you have a point you have bought a lot of our merchandise. But no I am like lying about what's going on, I'm keeping my guitars under the water it's totally ridiculous what people have said in this form and I hope that those people don't represent Gibson.
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Posted 02 November 2015 - 08:40 AM

View PostMike_L, on 16 August 2015 - 01:33 AM, said:

IF he even called, I'm guessing it went something like this:
MaxiumburnN: "Dear low level staff person, I demand you give me warranty service because I didn't properly care for my guitars."
Gibson: "Bwahahahahahahahaha"




Wanted to tell you that this "Dear low level staff person" thing has become a running gag between me and my girlfriend.

First time we read it we laught us to tears.
At least this thread was good for something.




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Posted 02 November 2015 - 01:38 PM

View PostMaxiumburnN, on 11 August 2015 - 11:05 AM, said:

Dear low level staff person, they can do something about these defective pickguards, they can make them from a different plastic, they can make them out of wood if need be.


As a "low level staff person" I am telling you this:


File a Warranty claim: http://www.gibson.co...t/Warranty.aspx

If you cannot complete the claim, contact the dealer that sold the guitar and they can file a claim for you.

If you feel that the materials used are defective, please contact customer service and have them transfer you to the legal dept. 1-800-4GIBSON (1-800-444-2766)
Make sure you have your bill of sale showing you are the original purchaser of the guitar in question.

I will make sure I mention the "defective" material to Henry next time I see him.
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Posted 22 March 2017 - 03:57 PM

Here's my two cents worth:

I had heard all about these deteriorating pickguards years ago, but since my guitar is more that fifty years old, I figured that I had dodged a bullet.

A couple years ago, after moving into a historic (100+ year-old) house during a very hot/humid summer, I noticed that one of the strings had broken and that there was a little rust around some of the pickup screws.

I mistakenly attributed the damage to the climatic conditions, cleaned the guitar up and put it away again.

Just recently, now living in the desert southwest, I opened the case after about a year and, lo and behold, two broken strings and a crapload of rust/green corrosion.

After some investigation and reaching out to experts, George Gruhn told me that even a decades-old instrument that has never suffered from this problem can suddenly develop it.

So there you go; I only knew half of the story.

My advice to anyone who owns one of these guitars with a nitrocellulose pickguard is to remove the damned thing (unless you play the guitar frequently and can monitor its condition).

You can also get "replica" pickguards (made out of a non-gassing modern plastic), but they are expensive as hell (one quote was around $200; now, THERE'S the ripoff).

(I just checked my '80 Guild X-500, and so far, everything is copacetic. But the Guild has a black pickguard. Does anyone know if this problem is limited to the "tortiseshell" pickguards, or can it happen to any color pickguard?).

Good luck, guys.
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Posted 23 March 2017 - 08:43 AM

View Postlionel, on 22 March 2017 - 03:57 PM, said:

Does anyone know if this problem is limited to the "tortiseshell" pickguards, or can it happen to any color pickguard?


Although other polymers used in guitar making have their own unique aging properties, the most prevalent being shrinkage and brittleness, I have only ever seen the off-gassing effect from the mock tortoise shell celluloid pickguards.
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Posted 23 March 2017 - 12:59 PM

I've always stored my guitars in a climate controlled environment and play them all regularly. I can't imagine what kind of extreme conditions led to this kind of issue but the description of what likely happened and what the cause was made sense to me. It seems to me that the original poster felt that the people responding to him were Gibson employees and not musicians. I definitely understand the frustration due to the damage. I think it's a reminder to those reading to check their instruments from time to time and play them.
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Posted 29 March 2017 - 02:20 PM

 MichaelT, on 23 March 2017 - 12:59 PM, said:

I've always stored my guitars in a climate controlled environment and play them all regularly. I can't imagine what kind of extreme conditions led to this kind of issue but the description of what likely happened and what the cause was made sense to me. It seems to me that the original poster felt that the people responding to him were Gibson employees and not musicians. I definitely understand the frustration due to the damage. I think it's a reminder to those reading to check their instruments from time to time and play them.

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 02:20 PM

 MichaelT, on 23 March 2017 - 12:59 PM, said:

I've always stored my guitars in a climate controlled environment and play them all regularly. I can't imagine what kind of extreme conditions led to this kind of issue but the description of what likely happened and what the cause was made sense to me. It seems to me that the original poster felt that the people responding to him were Gibson employees and not musicians. I definitely understand the frustration due to the damage. I think it's a reminder to those reading to check their instruments from time to time and play them.

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