L8_4thesh0w Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 1959 Les Paul Like I said in pippy's thread: Not Realistically AT ALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgm Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Looks beautiful though...£79k (GBP). I would have thought that every 1959 LP in that good condition can be accounted for now in terms of the history of ownership...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Scales Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I love how the 'Similar Products' selection that comes up below has stuff like the Rogue Rocketeer Deluxe Electric Guitar at $119 AUD decisions, decisions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old guy Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 So, if I wait 12 more years, will my 78 Les Paul custom be worth that much? Don't get me wrong, I love Les Pauls, and have always played and will always play then. But when you think about it, it's about $100 worth of wood, and a couple hundred in hardware, so how that translates in to $114,999 is beyond me. oh, it comes with a case, that must explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFord Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 How much if you'll settle for a gig bag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L8_4thesh0w Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 If that one doesn't quite do it for you, Gruhn has a '58 for 175k. :lol: <sigh> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentar Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 How much if you'll settle for a gig bag? The tuners are perfectly straight which means it hasn't fallen over in 56 years. Another words they aren't original. The pots and wiring are 56 years old. This means they don't work very well(unless they've been updated (which they probably have) Pickups lose some of their magnetism after a while. The strings are how old? LOL! They were probably changed last week. I don't think people play these guitars. I think they are investment property. They just sit there. It's actually impossible to have an all original anything that is 56 years old. Go buy a 59 reissue with Pearly Gate Seymore Duncans instead. When you get it home just kick it over and bend a tuner. Get it over with quick rather than worrying about doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 The reason it's ONLY 115k is because the top is real boring, and the economy kinda sucks right now. But really, you don't find finishes with this much red still left hardly at all. Not for a '59. Unless, of corse, it ISN'T original, which would be a serious omission on the part of GC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentar Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 See those plastic cavity covers on the back? They look really good. Fake!!!! LOL. I love bashing stuff I can't afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentar Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Unless, of corse, it ISN'T original, which would be a serious omission on the part of GC. GC omit something? RFLMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevDavidLee Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Hmmm if you put it on your GC card you can get 24 month interest free financing. And your payments would only be $4,792.00 per month for 2 whole years. What a steal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Looks beautiful though...£79k (GBP). I would have thought that every 1959 LP in that good condition can be accounted for now in terms of the history of ownership...? I don't remember, but i believe there are only about 2/3 accounted for total. For the 3 years ('58, '59, '60) these were made, only about 1700 or 1800 have been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 The tuners are perfectly straight which means it hasn't fallen over in 56 years. Another words they aren't original. The pots and wiring are 56 years old. This means they don't work very well(unless they've been updated (which they probably have) Pickups lose some of their magnetism after a while. The strings are how old? LOL! They were probably changed last week. I don't think people play these guitars. I think they are investment property. They just sit there. It's actually impossible to have an all original anything that is 56 years old. Go buy a 59 reissue with Pearly Gate Seymore Duncans instead. When you get it home just kick it over and bend a tuner. Get it over with quick rather than worrying about doing it. See those plastic cavity covers on the back? They look really good. Fake!!!! LOL. I love bashing stuff I can't afford. Why do you say this? It's entirely possible this guitar has been completely restored, with hardware and finish. But if it is actually original, the finish shows almost no wear or exposure. If that's the original finish, then it would seem likely the hardware would be in the condition it's in as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentar Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Why do you say this? It's entirely possible this guitar has been completely restored, with hardware and finish. But if it is actually original, the finish shows almost no wear or exposure. If that's the original finish, then it would seem likely the hardware would be in the condition it's in as well. I say this from experience with firearms collecting. True vintage is very rare. For example in lever action engravedWinchester and Henry rifles like the cowboys used in the 1800s it was found that more than half had been engraved since 1960. Engraved rifles from that era draw a premium price. Anything collectable is also forgable. Parts are easily replaced. Picture a vintage era Jim bowie knife that has had three blades and 5 handles. The Lennom Casino kept in the Tokyo display has 5 strings on it. But they are the 5 Lennon strummed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I have a Gibson guitar made 5 years after this one that is 100% original condition and look nearly new. Tuners pots and all are 100% original. Oh, and pickups don't lose magnetism over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentar Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I have a Gibson guitar made 5 years after this one that is 100% original condition and look nearly new. Tuners pots and all are 100% original. Oh, and pickups don't lose magnetism over time. Yes magnets lose some of their charge over a human life span. I too have a guitar made in the 50s with the original pots. They crackle though. If that Les Paul is original as advertised then it is worth what they are asking. What Weakens Magnetism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Searcy Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 No, they don't . Do magnet lose power with age? Your turn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentar Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 OCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pesh Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 They picked the wrong numbers on the lottery this weekend, so sadly no :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L8_4thesh0w Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Isn't a pickup actually, effectively, an electromagnet and wouldn't this minimize the coercive properties, especially in an already low-coercive Alnico type? No offense intended but I find interpretation of the first article suspect as it clearly states it pertains more to Samarium Cobalt and Neodymium magnets and less to Alnicos. In example 1 the heat necessary would destroy the finish of the guitar and melt the plastics. If it's been that hot it's probably toast anyway... unless you like to do Hendrix imitations with lighter fluid or alcohol. In example 2 the magnet would have to be almost touching the offending material. If you set a very large, very bare speaker magnet down on top of it... maybe. In example 3 - Don't smack your pickups with a hammer! My L6-S got dropped hard enough to dislodge a cover. The SuperHumbucker was repotted and works as well as it ever did. Maybe I was just lucky? That is my humble interpretation. Your mileage may vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yes magnets lose some of their charge over a human life span. I too have a guitar made in the 50s with the original pots. They crackle though. If that Les Paul is original as advertised then it is worth what they are asking. What Weakens Magnetism? No, they don't . Do magnet lose power with age? Your turn... Don't have time to read the article, but I do have time to spew personal opinion and BS over the net: My "opinion" is that pickup magnets loosing strength over time is a theory that some use to try and explain WHY "vintage" pickups sound better than new ones (also a theory). In real life, my guess is magnets don't, and if they do, we likely can't actually hear the difference. IF there is a difference between old vs new pickups, it's MORE likely other factors, such as use, break-in, or other factors we don't know everything about, like specific materials, how they sound, etc. In which case, one would have to "lets his ears decide", as the pickup maker/restorer SEARCY often says. Or....just measure some LOL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stein Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I have a Gibson guitar made 5 years after this one that is 100% original condition and look nearly new. Tuners pots and all are 100% original. Ditto that. I thinks it's likely more the case that "old" parts failing has more to do with use and abuse than how "old" they actually are. In fact, come to think of it, my "vintage" parts drawer I used to have and pick from seemed to work as good or better than "new" stuff....that is, they didn't seem to not work just because they were "old". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I chuckled at this. I remember reading a George Gruhn column in Guitar player in the early/mid 80s where he made the statement (loosely conveyed from memory) that "the day that a '58-'60 Les Paul sunburst will bring upwards of $2000 will soon be upon us". I had an original '55 gold top. It wasn't that great. A random LP from Nashville 2009 could smoke it easily. I'm all about paying 'stupid' money for something old. It's always been there, always will be. I'm still hoping to buy an L-5 one day. As long as we're honest about it and proclaim that we're buying the mystique, the connection to another era, the possibility that the '55 Strat for sale is the one stolen from Buddy Holly...fill in the blank. Anyone who thinks that '50s Strat is worth 50K based on it's tone and playability....I have some $100 Squier Bullets I'd like to introduce you to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I chuckled at this. I remember reading a George Gruhn column in Guitar player in the early/mid 80s where he made the statement (loosely conveyed from memory) that "the day that a '58-'60 Les Paul sunburst will bring upwards of $2000 will soon be upon us". I had an original '55 gold top. It wasn't that great. A random LP from Nashville 2009 could smoke it easily. I'm all about paying 'stupid' money for something old. It's always been there, always will be. I'm still hoping to buy an L-5 one day. As long as we're honest about it and proclaim that we're buying the mystique, the connection to another era, the possibility that the '55 Strat for sale is the one stolen from Buddy Holly...fill in the blank. Anyone who thinks that '50s Strat is worth 50K based on it's tone and playability....I have some $100 Squier Bullets I'd like to introduce you to. When I say these things people get mad at me. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Like I said in pippy's thread: Not Realistically AT ALL... Yes, sadly, but if that guitar is all-original then oddly enough it's a steal at that price. Unless, of corse, it ISN'T original, which would be a serious omission on the part of GC. It does seem to be in far too good nick but then again there ARE signs of use / chips and dings etc. I wonder what the story is. GC are very casual in their description of the thing... Oh, and pickups don't lose magnetism over time. Agreed. At least not so that anyone could tell without access to the neccessary equipment; According to data compiled by Rob Strahs (Vice President of Arnold Manufacturing - one of the last AlNiCo magnet foundries in the USA) and Steve Constantinides (one of his senior engineers) an original '59 PAF AlNiCo magnet would still retain at least 99.4% of it's original strength; "The National Laboratories have studied (magnetism change) and we're talking about changes of less than 0.1% over a decade. Basically if we had a magnet that had been sitting in a box since 1967 we wouldn't expect it to be any different today than the day it was made." I had an original '55 gold top. It wasn't that great. A random LP from Nashville 2009 could smoke it easily...Anyone who thinks that '50s Strat is worth 50K based on it's tone and playability....I have some $100 Squier Bullets I'd like to introduce you to. I had an all-original '59 maple neck'd Strat in Fiesta Red (rare combination, apparently) which was easily the worst Strat I've ever owned. And I've owned a few... Pip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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