Zentar Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Has anybody used these? What do they fit? https://www.amazon.com/Grover-406C6-Rotomatic-Locking-Machine/dp/B002B333LW/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1465833656&sr=8-4&keywords=grover+mini+tuners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentar Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 I'm not surprised nobody knows anything about mini tuners. I was curious about them because I was looking at ways to lighten the hardware on heavy LPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 They've been around forever. Not sure what you're asking. What are you using currently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentar Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 I'm doing weight relief on a Standard and entertained swapping to mini tuners to save an ounce or two. I have aluminum brige, plastic jack plate, uncovered pickups, no pickhuard. Trying to get the guitar under 8lbs. I couldn't find out if minis would work on a Stsandard. Ended up ordering Grovers. I didn't order locking tuners since they weigh more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 hey Zentar did you get these installed yet? I recently ordered a new set of Gibson issue Deluxe Klusons for my 2002 standard, It turns out, I needed vintage style tuners, as the (less expensive) standard ones, had a flange on the casing which made them too large to fit in the existing holes. I had to chose, return / reorder or get the drill out... I exchanged them for the exact replacement, which worked without modifications. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentar Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 Mine haven't arrived. I'm replacing e-tuners. I think the hole is 10mm and the regular Grovers should work but we'll see. I'm regretting not trying the mini tuners just for the heck of it but tuners aren't free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Hello Zentar. The product in the link is for guitars with Fender-style headstocks. There is a 3+3 version too for use on Gibsons. Great product. I have the non-locking version of them on my L6S. Bence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentar Posted June 15, 2016 Author Share Posted June 15, 2016 Hello Zentar. The product in the link is for guitars with Fender-style headstocks. There is a 3+3 version too for use on Gibsons. Great product. I have the non-locking version of them on my L6S. Bence. Are mini tuners smaller and lighter? Can you easily see they are smaller? What is mini about them? Are they just regular Grovers with small buttons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Are mini tuners smaller and lighter? Can you easily see they are smaller? What is mini about them? Are they just regular Grovers with small buttons? Yes. Yes. They're Grover's little brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentar Posted June 16, 2016 Author Share Posted June 16, 2016 I notice they have an 8 oclock screw hole. If I don't like the mini tuners and want to switch to medium Grovers I have to drill a different hole. The medium Grovers have 6 oclock holes. Id love to try mini tuners but this causes me concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPS1976 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Are mini tuners smaller and lighter? Can you easily see they are smaller? What is mini about them? Are they just regular Grovers with small buttons? Stew Mac has all the specs on their site http://www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Parts/Tuning_Machines/Solid_Peghead_Guitar_Tuning_Machines/Grover_Mini_Rotomatics_205_Series_3and3_Tuners.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentar Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share Posted June 17, 2016 Stew Mac has all the specs on their site http://www.stewmac.com/Hardware_and_Parts/Tuning_Machines/Solid_Peghead_Guitar_Tuning_Machines/Grover_Mini_Rotomatics_205_Series_3and3_Tuners.html Thanks. I checked the weights of quite a few tuner sets. One of the lightest is the Gibsob Deluxe pearloiids. They're lighter than Grovers. Les Pauls tend towards being heavy. I wonder if this is why Gibson used the deluxe tuners back in 1959? Today people load up the alrerady heavy LP with steel bridges and heavy tuners and thencomplain their LP is heavy. For even lighter tuners you could use cheap die cast/plastic tuners that weigh less than half what a grover locking tuner weighs. You can save a lot of weight by your choice of tuners. I don't know too many folks whod put a $18 set of tuners on a $2500 Standard to save 4 ounces but if my LP weighed 12 lbs I might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. C.O. Jones Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Thanks. I checked the weights of quite a few tuner sets. One of the lightest is the Gibsob Deluxe pearloiids. They're lighter than Grovers. Les Pauls tend towards being heavy. I wonder if this is why Gibson used the deluxe tuners back in 1959? Today people load up the alrerady heavy LP with steel bridges and heavy tuners and thencomplain their LP is heavy. For even lighter tuners you could use cheap die cast/plastic tuners that weigh less than half what a grover locking tuner weighs. You can save a lot of weight by your choice of tuners. I don't know too many folks whod put a $18 set of tuners on a $2500 Standard to save 4 ounces but if my LP weighed 12 lbs I might. I think if neck heaviness is the problem it may make some difference, but on the overall weight of a guitar? Wouldn't that be insignificant? Would your shoulder really notice if it's a Kluson or a Grover? I changed the stock zamak tailpiece for an aluminium one, didn't notice anithing, at least on the weight subject. It's a guitar not a race car, if a Les Paul is to heavy on your back try an SG or a Telecaster, that makes much more difference than tuners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentar Posted June 18, 2016 Author Share Posted June 18, 2016 I think if neck heaviness is the problem it may make some difference, but on the overall weight of a guitar? Wouldn't that be insignificant? Would your shoulder really notice if it's a Kluson or a Grover? I changed the stock zamak tailpiece for an aluminium one, didn't notice anithing, at least on the weight subject. It's a guitar not a race car, if a Les Paul is to heavy on your back try an SG or a Telecaster, that makes much more difference than tuners. Agreed. Who notices three ounces. So why not add three ounces to your heavy LP? metal to plastic jack plate- 1 oz metal covered pickups to bare bobbins- 4 ozs Grover locking tuner to Gibby vintage- 3 ozs Remove pick guard 5 bozs ------------------------------------------------- 13 ozs in weight reduction That is a major reduction in weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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