papabear@ Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Is this areal gibson hummingbird? I sent link to gibson.com 2 days ago with no reply. Asked the pawnguy selling it and no reply there either. I have heard pawnshop owners getting jail time for selling fake Gibsons. #1= 3 screw truss rod? #2 = Is the Mop gluded on top of headstock? My link I dont understand why report a fake at gibson.com hasn't done anything. Hate to see a poor kid get scammed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliasphobias Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Looks legit from here. Factory 2nd, '70s Hummingbird as described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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capmaster Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 The top crack along the treble-sided edge of the fretboard should be cared for I think, but she looks definitely real. Logo and truss-rod cover are period-correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 I like the disclaimer with the seller playing dumb when his company logo is a guitar. Action looks extremely high and the crack on the treble side of the neck could mean the neck has sunk down in that area. I would not touch it without inspecting it and the seller does not have a return policy and does not imply the condition where you could go back on him with the EBay guarantee. I would be wary on this purchase even though it does look authentic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Sadly, it appears to be real. Embarrassing, but real. Think of it as Gibson's Norlin-era interpretation of a Gibson Hummingbird and weep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papabear@ Posted July 3, 2016 Author Share Posted July 3, 2016 I have read many times a "3 screw trussrod cover" = FAKE Gibson. That Gibsons always have a 2 screw trussrod cover, one at top, one at bottom. Is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 I have read many times a "3 screw trussrod cover" = FAKE Gibson. That Gibsons always have a 2 screw trussrod cover, one at top, one at bottom. Is this true? No. You'll find scattered examples of 3 screw covers, usually adorning examples from the '70s. Lots of documentation for the phenomenon have appeared within various threads here on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papabear@ Posted July 3, 2016 Author Share Posted July 3, 2016 No. You'll find scattered examples of 3 screw covers, usually adorning examples from the '70s. Lots of documentation for the phenomenon have appeared within various threads here on the forum. I got his C&P right off the gibson.com website, "How to Spot a Fake Gibson To ensure the authenticity of a Gibson, consumers can check any of the references below when examining a guitar: Measure the guitar to check that it’s not undersized. Correct measurements can be found on www.Gibson.com. Examine headstock and headstock logo to determine that they match those of authentic Gibson guitars. Check to see that all pearl is inlaid. Check that Les Paul model script is always in cursive. Verify that there’s not a three-screw truss rod cover. Check the control and pickup cavities for sloppy routing or wiring. Make sure the pickup cavity is not painted black inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Gibson did make some guitars in the 1970s that had three screw truss rod covers. Anyone who says different is completely mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted July 3, 2016 Share Posted July 3, 2016 Is this areal gibson hummingbird? I sent link to gibson.com 2 days ago with no reply. Asked the pawnguy selling it and no reply there either. I have heard pawnshop owners getting jail time for selling fake Gibsons. #1= 3 screw truss rod? #2 = Is the Mop gluded on top of headstock? My link I dont understand why report a fake at gibson.com hasn't done anything. Hate to see a poor kid get scammed. Only thing wrong with this Hummingbird is its a norlin.. Its a Gibson Hummingbird.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papabear@ Posted July 4, 2016 Author Share Posted July 4, 2016 Here is another cut and paste about Gibsons. Consumers can check any of the references below when examining a Gibson guitar in an effort to insure its authenticity: - Make sure the size is not undersized - The headstock and headstock logo should match those of authentic Gibson guitars - Pearl should always be inlaid - Les Paul Model script is always in cursive - If the guitar has a 3 screw truss rod it is not authentic - Check the control and pick up cavities for sloppy routing or wiring - Real Gibson guitars use one piece necks - Many fake Gibsons have their pickup cavities painted black inside - If purchasing a Gibson always ask for the Gibson's Owner Manual and Gibson/Warranty Inspection Card -;" Check the wiring, if it is plastic it isn't a true Gibson. //////// This place even states "if it has a 3 screw truss cover, "it is NOT authentic"..... I have not found anywhere else that states in the 70's they had 3 screws...only this forum. I have been searching over 30 different sites about this. Tuesday I will talk to a real person at Gibson.com, Not email, and let you know what they say about the "`70's 3 screw truss cover." Many say Epiphone had a 3 screw. Either way, I will let you know what I'm told by Gibson.com. thanks for all the reply's, but I'll pass on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 - Real Gibson guitars use one piece necks Someone needs to lose their job. Who the hell wrote this drivel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 Someone needs to lose their job. Who the hell wrote this drivel? There is no one blinder than he who will not see.... If it's in print and claims an official source, it must be true.... I kind of wonder who wrote the drivel, as well. Firing's too good for them - they should be publicly ridiculed on this forum, by name, with accompanying photograph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 If someone out there is fabricating '70's Norlin era Gibson's we should feel sorry for them, not prosecuting them. fyi - the last Gibson I bought has a three piece maple neck. It's authentic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 If someone out there is fabricating '70's Norlin era Gibson's we should feel sorry for them, not prosecuting them. fyi - the last Gibson I bought has a three piece maple neck. It's authentic. When anyone has spent much time with older Gibsons, the realization that a huge part of their charm is the occasional variation sinks in pretty well. Of course, if you pay close attention to the 'official' information from the foregoing citation, a few things that I've come to expect fairly regularly never actually happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Here is another cut and paste about Gibsons. ... - If the guitar has a 3 screw truss rod it is not authentic - Real Gibson guitars use one piece necks - Many fake Gibsons have their pickup cavities painted black inside - If purchasing a Gibson always ask for the Gibson's Owner Manual and Gibson/Warranty Inspection Card - Check the wiring, if it is plastic it isn't a true Gibson. During the 1970's some Gibsons with 3 screws holding the truss rod cover were made. There were lots of Gibsons made with three-piece necks, and some do still use necks made of three or more stripes of wood, partly of different species, in particular upper class models. Some decades ago some Gibsons came with black conductive paint in the control cavity, some with brass foil, some with aluminum foil over the years. I nvere saw one with conductive paint in the pickup cavity, so I'm not sure about that. The paperwork during the Norlin years was quite different from now. Most of my Gibsons have plastic wiring stock because of four-conductor wiring and switching options. Lots of Gibson Les Paul guitars with basically braided wiring use plastic insulated wires for the toggle switch connections stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papabear@ Posted July 5, 2016 Author Share Posted July 5, 2016 just got off the phone with gibson.com and was told there was never any mystery 70's era 3 screw trussrod covers. There can however be a real gibson where the bottom screw hole broke on the headstock and it was repaired with a 3 screw. Or someone just put a 3 screw on a real Gibson....for looks or repair. I have sent them the pictures and see if this one was real.....I'll let you know the outcome when they reply. Say what you will, I will take the advice of the people who make and work for the Gibson Co.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capmaster Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 just got off the phone with gibson.com and was told there was never any mystery 70's era 3 screw trussrod covers. There can however be a real gibson where the bottom screw hole broke on the headstock and it was repaired with a 3 screw. ... Now that's funny! So they obviously broke lots of bottom screw holes at the factory then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksdaddy Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Whoever you spoke with is wrong. Dead wrong. Dead dead wrong. It's sad when the consumer knows more about the company than the company does. Blind faith to the person on the other end of the phone? Not a good idea. Ever see a 1948 Telecaster? Me neither. 3 years later, maybe. I'm contemplating a LaPatrie classical. Customer Service said this serial number doesn't exist. I would like to know who you spoke to at Gibson so I can just google many photos of 3 screw TRCs as used in the 1970s and send them to that individual. And to their boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I am old, cynical, can often recognize BS before it leaves the source, and very much doubt that anyone currently employed at Gibson knows Jack about what happened in Kalamazoo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I am old, cynical, can often recognize BS before it leaves the source, and very much doubt that anyone currently employed at Gibson knows Jack about what happened in Kalamazoo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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