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Gibson Snob here Will an EPI measure up?

#21 User is offline   marius 

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Posted 29 July 2016 - 05:03 AM

View PostPinch, on 28 July 2016 - 09:11 AM, said:

Marius: sounds like quite a few Epis I've played. Sounds nothing like the one I got in Feb. Were your lemons recent?


yes,a few last year,and the latest one, the lee malia lp artisan in february or so. i have played and purchased many epis over the years,and yes,fretwork aint too good. the surprising thing is that it is on the more expensive models,but i have played plenty of the cheap bolt-on lp specials II with great fretwork.true story
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Posted 29 July 2016 - 06:28 AM

i have played plenty of the cheap bolt-on lp specials II with great fretwork.true story

yep I'll give ya that. That's usually the thing, consistency is always the rub, (and it sort of doesn't matter the brand, as they all have their dogs)

I've got a crap load of axes (20+) USA Fender and Gibbys mostly, but I've got 5 epi's, one is an elitist, which is a little bit of a different league than some of the other imports. however, the others, I am pretty happy with them, but I did need to dress down frets on most of them to get them "right"... I don't see any unusual fret wear, and the hardware in general is solid.
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Posted 29 July 2016 - 11:58 AM

A lot of players over think everything instrument/ tone wise IMO. I have an Epi LP 100 from the mid 90's that was my first guitar and I still own. It still sounds fantastic to my ears (and I have never swapped pickups or anything on it) and it has a nice feel to it too.

A guitar can only sound as good as the player. I've never personally bought into the idea of swapping out the pickups on any guitar. You can get a great sound from a Squier Strat or Epi LP Special with STOCK pickups.
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Posted 02 August 2016 - 02:23 AM

Just to chime in myself here, I too was a Gibson snob and thought what is the point of an Epiphone when the Gibson Studio fadeds are such good value. Well I had to rethink my position when I got my first Gibson and the nitro coating caused me to have a massive migraine (and before anyone jumps to it's defence, it was the coating on the guitar I did elimination tests), so I was on the look out for a second hand Gibson and saw that Andertons (UK) are doing the 2014 Epiphone Les Paul Traditional Pro for £279.99. As money is very tight I took the plunge (Wine Red) and I'm very glad I did. I now have a Les Paul at a fraction of the price of a Gibson and it looks and sounds fantastic and it isn't poisoning me! The ProBucker is a great pickup and I am very happy with it's vintagey voice. I will use the coil splits at some point, but it's nice to know that I have the option.

I know there are people out there who think that Epis can't possible hold their own against a Gibson, and I was one of them, but I have to formally state that I was wrong. Epiphones are a contender and I will be buying more (when they add a Firebird V to the roster!). Also they out sustain even a Gibson LP Standard, for proof go to 12:00 in this video:
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Posted 02 August 2016 - 05:05 AM

View Postpandarocket, on 02 August 2016 - 02:23 AM, said:

Just to chime in myself here, I too was a Gibson snob and thought what is the point of an Epiphone when the Gibson Studio fadeds are such good value. Well I had to rethink my position when I got my first Gibson and the nitro coating caused me to have a massive migraine (and before anyone jumps to it's defence, it was the coating on the guitar I did elimination tests), so I was on the look out for a second hand Gibson and saw that Andertons (UK) are doing the 2014 Epiphone Les Paul Traditional Pro for £279.99. As money is very tight I took the plunge (Wine Red) and I'm very glad I did. I now have a Les Paul at a fraction of the price of a Gibson and it looks and sounds fantastic and it isn't poisoning me! The ProBucker is a great pickup and I am very happy with it's vintagey voice. I will use the coil splits at some point, but it's nice to know that I have the option.

I know there are people out there who think that Epis can't possible hold their own against a Gibson, and I was one of them, but I have to formally state that I was wrong. Epiphones are a contender and I will be buying more (when they add a Firebird V to the roster!). Also they out sustain even a Gibson LP Standard, for proof go to 12:00 in this video:
https://www.youtube....h?v=rzM9dvV-VJU


For me, the nitro coating was the death of my Gibson LP Studio. a bit of moisture got under it and it was game over from there. The finish bubbled in a NOT very eye-catching way so I had to sand it off. I refinished it with a few coats of danish oil and although it looked fantastic it gradually fell apart from there, IMHO it didn't sound as good either.

Moving over to an Epiphone ES-335 pro, the 'liveliness' of the 'sealed' Gibbo returned, but I much prefer the harder-wearing finish on the Epi.
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Posted 04 August 2016 - 12:11 AM

I don' t like copies,

The wood is bad quality, hardware is cheap and humbuckers are very bad. Tuners, potentiomètres, switch, ... are very bad quality.

The body is made of 6 or 7 parts with a photoflame finish. Price is very high
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Posted 04 August 2016 - 02:52 AM

View PostSG player, on 04 August 2016 - 12:11 AM, said:

I don' t like copies,

The wood is bad quality, hardware is cheap and humbuckers are very bad. Tuners, potentiomètres, switch, ... are very bad quality.

The body is made of 6 or 7 parts with a photoflame finish. Price is very high


Honestly, Regarding the Epi 335 PRO, on a semi-acoustic the body is laminate so wood quality is not an issue, the pickups are really nice upgraded models, and the tuners and electrics are solid.

In fact, all new Epiphones these days have significantly upped the quality.

And this is coming from a Gisbon man
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Posted 04 August 2016 - 04:06 AM

View PostSG player, on 04 August 2016 - 12:11 AM, said:

I don' t like copies,

The wood is bad quality, hardware is cheap and humbuckers are very bad. Tuners, potentiomètres, switch, ... are very bad quality.

The body is made of 6 or 7 parts with a photoflame finish. Price is very high

Besides three Gibson USA and two Gibson Custom Les Paul guitars I'm proud owner of an Epiphone Les Paul 1960 Tribute Plus. It has a five-piece body with back veneer, solid maple top with bookmatched flamed maple veneer, Gibson '57 Classic/'57 Classic Plus pickups, CTS pots with two of them including push/pull switches for series/parallel coil options, Mallory 150 series foil capacitors, Switchcraft toggle switch and output jack, all stock. Great guitar, nicely made, very playable. I already owned two Gibson LPs when I bought her, and be sure I knew why. I'm still very fine with her. [thumbup]

As for the OP, they don't make a left-handed Les Paul Tribute Plus model. Too bad, too sad. <_<

As far as I know Epiphone never used photoflame finishes. They always glued veneers of real figured maple to plain maple tops. Fender made their "Foto Flame" series in Japan during the 1990s, I think some Yamahas and Ibanezes were made this way then, too, and perhaps some more. There have also been photoflame necks and photoquilt bodies.
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Posted 04 August 2016 - 06:44 AM

Fender used "Foto Flames" for a short period in the past. I've looked for info on Epi photo flames, but I've seen no proof. Sounds like an urban myth.

No, the ProBuckers on mine, for instance, are wonderful. The wood, as long as it sounds great - as good, if you like, I'm happy. The tuners are fine. The hardware is fine.

But whatever. Each to their own, yourself included.
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Posted 05 August 2016 - 11:11 AM

While I’m no guitar expert, I think Epi’s are great guitars for the money. Having said that, you get what you pay for. A few years ago, I purchased an Epiphone Riviera Custom P93. It didn’t take me long to realize the craftsmanship and components left something to be desired, so I decided to make a few upgrades. I kept the original pick-ups, but replaced all of the Asian made electronics. Put in a new bridge and had a bone nut installed. The guitar looks like a museum piece, sounds great and stays in tune.

I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer to the question raised in the original post. Beauty and value of a guitar are in the eye of the beholder. I love playing my guitar, which at the end of the day, is all that really counts.
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Posted 05 August 2016 - 02:33 PM

I don' t like copies,

The wood is bad quality, hardware is cheap and humbuckers are very bad. Tuners, potentiomètres, switch, ... are very bad quality.

The body is made of 6 or 7 parts with a photoflame finish. Price is very high


Photoflame on a Gibson SG Copy :


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Posted 05 August 2016 - 03:38 PM

View PostSG player, on 05 August 2016 - 02:33 PM, said:

I don' t like copies,

The wood is bad quality, hardware is cheap and humbuckers are very bad. Tuners, potentiomètres, switch, ... are very bad quality.

The body is made of 6 or 7 parts with a photoflame finish. Price is very high


Photoflame on a Gibson SG Copy :


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Dude you know nothing of what you speak....you obviously don't know what a veneer is, you should look it up before spouting your constant nonsense. Here let me help since you seem to be helpless.
Photo flame is just that, a fancy picture stuck on.
"Veneer - a decorative covering of fine WOOD applied to a coarser wood or other material". This technique has been in use for furniture and other wood projects longer than you have walked this green earth, so please, please give it a rest already.
I own many Epi's manufactured from 1998 up to 2010 and I can guarantee you 100% that they are solid wood with wood veneers. Yeah sure the bodies maybe made of more pieces than my Gibbie's, but these days even Gibby is using multiple pieces for their bodies.
You are doing no one a service with your ill informed rants, you are however showing your true colours.

Please stop posting in the Epi forum and to find some other cork sniffers to hang out with.

Have a nice day, Johnny
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Posted 05 August 2016 - 04:03 PM

Ok,

call this Veneer or decorative covering wood if you prefer .
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Posted 05 August 2016 - 07:34 PM

View PostSG player, on 05 August 2016 - 04:03 PM, said:

Ok,

call this Veneer or decorative covering wood if you prefer .

Still on this forum, and not poking your unwanted nose on the SG forum? Again?? As GIBSG?

Simple truth. You're an unwanted pimple on the butt of genuine Epiphone fans.
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Posted 05 August 2016 - 08:18 PM

View PostSG player, on 05 August 2016 - 04:03 PM, said:

Ok,

call this Veneer or decorative covering wood if you prefer .

Simple fact, you want to hate Epiphones as they are not Gibson made with love in the USA,
Epiphone is owned by Gibson US? It is their company! All profits go to Gibson, so you are deriding Gibson as a company.
In fact by this tyrade you are actually encouraging people to go to other guitar company's outside the Gibson product range?
Some loyal Gibson fan you are?
In here, we appreciate Epiphones. A Gibson brand!! If you really want to sell your Gibson v Epiphone views, go to a strat forum.
Personally, I'm getting sick of your tirade about your G'peen.
In a nutshell, "Don't like Epi's, F^$) )ff to another forum.
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Posted 06 August 2016 - 02:19 AM

I love Gibson guitars, they are awesome.

My Gibson Les Paul Junior is fantastic, my Gibson SG Special is incredible [thumbup]

But I don' t like copies.

I own an Epi Casino and that' s a great guitar ... for the price . I own a G400, a V copy (Popa Chubby) and sold them very quickly .

Only a Gibson is good Enough IMHO !

[tongue]


PS : I paid 400 for the Gibson Les Paul and 450 for the Gibson SG Special .
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Posted 06 August 2016 - 02:57 AM

View PostSG player, on 06 August 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

I love Gibson guitars, they are awesome.

My Gibson Les Paul Junior is fantastic, my Gibson SG Special is incredible [thumbup]

But I don' t like copies.

I own an Epi Casino and that' s a great guitar ... for the price . I own a G400, a V copy (Popa Chubby) and sold them very quickly .

Only a Gibson is good Enough IMHO !

[tongue]


PS : I paid 400 for the Gibson Les Paul and 450 for the Gibson SG Special .


Yeah we get that you're a Gibson fanboy, but what people are trying to get through to you is that this is an Epiphone forum, a forum dedicated to Epiphones. If they aren't good enough for you then bugger off to a froum dedicated to people who wish to deride Epiphones. We won't be there so won't have to suffer your foaming at the mouth, brainwashed 'Only a Gibson is good enough IMHO' attitude. As a side note I always find it funny when people use IMHO and they inevitably have no humility in them.

It is good that you love Gibsons so much and yes, by and large they are great guitars, but I can't own one as I have an allergic reaction to the Nitro coating that causes me to have migraines. And before you start sh!tting on about a Gibson being the cure for cancer and the answer to all problems in the universe, it was the Gibson causing the issue. I still wanted a Les Paul, so I could have spent money on a PRS lookalike or buy an Epiphone, which is a Les Paul. Need;less to say I now own an Epi Les Paul Traditional Pro and it is fantastic. Yes older Epis do suffer a bit from the quality factor, but then so do Gibsons, Fenders, Gretsches, Jacksons, Ibanezes... You seem to forget that the Epi Les Paul isn't a copy, it is a Les Paul, otherwise Gibson wouldn't allow the use of the Les Paul logo on the headstock would they? And I will reiterate what has previously been said, Epiphone are a subsidiary of Gibson. The money I spent will go towards Gibsons end of year profits.

Also you denegrate the pots in an Epi, and yes they are Chinese made, but so are the electronics in a Gibson. And again, you will get bad ones, and you will get good ones. It's just the luck of the draw. So please let that be an end to your nonsense. You are about as welcome here as a pinata full of spiders.
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Posted 06 August 2016 - 05:58 AM

"Only a Gibson is Good Enough" is not only my opinion .

Enjoy ! [biggrin]

My Gibson are very generous, good feeling, many good vibrations, awesome sustain, incredible sound ... Pure instruments .


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Posted 06 August 2016 - 06:22 AM

Here is a cool Epi Riviera :


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Posted 06 August 2016 - 06:33 AM

*grabs popcorn*
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