flatbaroque Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1965-GIBSON-J45-Custom-Shop-2014-mint-condition-luxury-hard-shell-/252593718663?hash=item3acfc24587:g:CdAAAOSwzaJYB5RE Saw this on Aussie ebay.When I first noticed the highest bid was $5.00.I saw it was only a 3 day auction with no reserve.Next time I looked the highest bid was $1200- fair enough. I sent the seller a question "Hey mate nice guitar, might be interested.How come only a 3 day auction for such an expensive guitar?" No response as expected. Next time I looked all the bids had been retracted.Highest bid is 99c. haha. What's the story?? I think the 99c bid might be from Em7..the Donovan tragic!If I can get it for $1.50 I can live with the adjustable bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparquelito Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Most curious, this eBay ad for such a quality Gibson guitar! I have never dealt with eBay. Does the seller not set a fixed price? Or is it open bidding, and the buyers set the price? And if so, does the seller have to live with the final outcome? Forgive my ignorance on these matters. :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroAussie Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Dodgy...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62burst Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Definitely smells of scamfish. 1) zero eBay feedback. 2) struggle w/ English grammar 2) mix and match capitalization 3) use of the word "item" to refer to the guitar. Interesting how this would work : first purchase on eBay, then pick up? Nice looking item, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatbaroque Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Up to $3.25 now!.What I don't understand is why 4 bids of up to $1500 were all retracted suddenly.My intitial reading of the add made me wary.But what made those people retract their bids?Nice guitar if real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62burst Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Those could've been shill bids, used to stimulate interest & to drive the price. The weak "too busy at work to play it" reason for sale is also a classic Craigslist line, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatbaroque Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Those could've been shill bids, used to stimulate interest & to drive the price. The weak "too busy at work to play it" reason for sale is also a classic Craigslist line, as well. But if you make a shill bid..why retract?Doesn't make sense as a scammimng technique.It would only engender doubts in real bidders.Maybe I'm not understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Most curious, this eBay ad for such a quality Gibson guitar! I have never dealt with eBay. Does the seller not set a fixed price? Or is it open bidding, and the buyers set the price? And if so, does the seller have to live with the final outcome? Forgive my ignorance on these matters. :unsure: Haven't done anything with ebay for about 15 years, but at that time the seller could post a reserve/reject low bids😒 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Despite all appearances to the contrary, note that the brand indication is Aria😯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I have never dealt with eBay. Does the seller not set a fixed price? No, it's an auction. They set the opening bid, but the price it goes for depends on the bidders. Usually, ebay is big enough that a fairly reasonable price results. Or is it open bidding, and the buyers set the price? Yeah, open bidding, high bid wins. A seller CAN set a "reserve" price - in which case the bidding has to exceed the reserve, otherwise there's no sale. There's no reserve on this auction though. And if so, does the seller have to live with the final outcome? Theoretically. And legally, yes. The seller agrees to sell to the highest bidder. It's a contract. I've had a guy back out before though. And there's no real recourse (well, the money was returned). In that case, the guy had zero feedback, just like this guy, and he had just joined ebay, just like this guy. Unless a seller has a number of prior sales with good feedback, there's a risk the seller will back out. A couple of problems with this auction - the guy says the guitar is brand new. It's used. It's apparently in good shape though. It sounds like the guy is not prepared to pack and ship the guitar, even within Oz. He says "As you can see I am new to eBay I would like to sell this item and hoping to be Purchased for Pickup unless any Winning Buyer happy to arrange own Courier Pickup or cover the Shipping cost." I would ask the seller a lot of questions, including whether he's really committed to sell the guitar for the final bid, whatever that is. And ask about shipping, etc., etc. It's possible you could get a nice J45 at a great price. OMG, I didn't see that "Aria" thing, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCowboy Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 No, it's an auction. They set the opening bid, but the price it goes for depends on the bidders. Usually, ebay is big enough that a fairly reasonable price results. Yeah, open bidding, high bid wins. A seller CAN set a "reserve" price - in which case the bidding has to exceed the reserve, otherwise there's no sale. There's no reserve on this auction though. Theoretically. And legally, yes. The seller agrees to sell to the highest bidder. It's a contract. I've had a guy back out before though. And there's no real recourse (well, the money was returned). In that case, the guy had zero feedback, just like this guy, and he had just joined ebay, just like this guy. Unless a seller has a number of prior sales with good feedback, there's a risk the seller will back out. A couple of problems with this auction - the guy says the guitar is brand new. It's used. It's apparently in good shape though. It sounds like the guy is not prepared to pack and ship the guitar, even within Oz. He says "As you can see I am new to eBay I would like to sell this item and hoping to be Purchased for Pickup unless any Winning Buyer happy to arrange own Courier Pickup or cover the Shipping cost." I would ask the seller a lot of questions, including whether he's really committed to sell the guitar for the final bid, whatever that is. And ask about shipping, etc., etc. It's possible you could get a nice J45 at a great price. OMG, I didn't see that "Aria" thing, haha. To me, that Aria tidbit is the Kiss of Death for that auction😘 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62burst Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 But if you make a shill bid..why retract?Doesn't make sense as a scammimng technique.It would only engender doubts in real bidders.Maybe I'm not understanding. If shill bid is not retracted, eBay/PayPal will still want their 13%. Despite all appearances to the contrary, note that the brand indication is Aria😯 . . . Hilarious. Fine Print Award goes to Old Cowboy. And I think we're done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhanners623 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Why doesn't someone just ask him about the Gibson/Aria thing? It's one or the other. Can't be both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickthemiller Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I reckon the Aria thing is just an oversight when entering the item and leaving the guitar make button un-altered. i reckon it's genuine and if I lived 12000 miles away might have a punt. Will keep an eye on it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blindboygrunt Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Anyone who has such an item on eBay and doesn't reply shouldn't be trusted Always chat to an eBay seller before bidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatbaroque Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Anyone who has such an item on eBay and doesn't reply shouldn't be trusted Always chat to an eBay seller before bidding I agree.Always alarm bells when questions are ignored. The Aria thing is just a glitch in the initial post i think..probably some default setting.Often I've seen mistakes in that first small ebay description.Guitars are often described as left handed when they are not.In my question to the seller I also bought up the aria and "brand new".As stated before - no response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I think the 99c bid might be from Em7..the Donovan tragic!If I can get it for $1.50 I can live with the adjustable bridge. Pass - I of course need real adjustable porcelain. Btw trying to learn the one below this weekend. . 1968 ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL3EZvpPvUk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatbaroque Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Pass - I of course need real adjustable porcelain. Btw trying to learn the one below this weekend. . 1968 ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL3EZvpPvUk The sax will be a challenge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 The sax will be a challenge! Do that by strings, mouth and thought - just need the to get the right hand groove goin'. . The number by the way suits my 1968 SJ - same year as the release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Btw trying to learn the one below this weekend. That has got some kind of groove going on! Guitar tone was much too thin.... Bass, drums, sax, all hot players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 That has got some kind of groove going on! Guitar tone was much too thin.... Bass, drums, sax, all hot players. You're absolutely right - was goin' to mention it, but forgot. This is not the 1964 cherry 45 seen reproduced in this thread. More likely it's the Rickenbacker or some other electric unplugged before a mic. Still I think the sparse acoustic sound fits the naked sonic picture well. A fat 45 would have been too much, , or would have changed the transparency to something else, , , more conventional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickthemiller Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Watched the J45 in Australia. It went for 1800 Aussie dollars that's about £1120 or $1370. I did ask if there was a buy it now price and got a reply of 750. So was it genuine? It certainly went at fairly reasonable price in the end. It would maybe have made a couple of hundred more in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-minor7 Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 Watched the J45 in Australia. It went for 1800 Aussie dollars, , Someone got lucky ^ Time to learn Atlantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted October 22, 2016 Share Posted October 22, 2016 I look at the zero feedback bidder with a hokey name as just that... that is just to far away to get burned .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatbaroque Posted October 22, 2016 Author Share Posted October 22, 2016 Yea $1800AUS was cheap for a guitar of that description / uniqueness (if legit).Normally I'd expect it to go for at least $2200AUS. I would have bid but the seller didn't answer either of the two questions I asked at separate times.I'm surprised Mickthemiller got a response.Even if I had got an answer and felt confident enough to bid I was only going to go $1600AUS..so I wouldn't have won anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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