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FAKE Gibson 355/Lucille?! From Guitar Center?!!?

#1 User is offline   Edward Kim 

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Posted 19 November 2016 - 01:57 AM

WELL! I need the brightest most investigative minds for this.

Here is the story:

Two nights ago I saw a Gibson Lucille in Cherry on the Guitar Center's USED GEAR site. I used to work for Guitar Center and have dealt with this store before I called them up.
Priced at: $1899.99
Cost for them: $1200

Guess what though? THIS ONE HAD F-HOLES!!! It drove me NUTS that no employees there or techs realized... LUCILLES DONT HAVE F-HOLES DAMMNIT!

So this is what I've concluded: it is either a REALLY well done fake OR...

It's a Lucille with F-Holes cut into it by a luthier. I've seen this done before on a Lucille.

More twists in this story:

1) It was returned twice: it originated from Florida's Guitar Center. Customer bought it via Layaway.
2) It was returned then by him, bought online by someone in Minneapolis
3) That guy returned it to the store I bought it from.
4) I found one thread on a different forum from last year which talks about a guy who is looking at a Cherry 90s Lucille with F-Holes cut into it by a Spanish luthier
5) Serial Number on it is: 91456405 -- it checks out
6) Take a CLOSE look at the F-Hole and the volume knob that is just under the pickguard. Doesn't it look misaligned?

So here's what I did...


I bought it on the GC GC -- Guitar Center Gear Card.

Why?

1) If it's a fake I'll get my money back and since its the holidays, there's basically a 90 day return day policy now starting now.
2) If it's NOT a fake and it just have F-Holes cut into it... I actually like it. It's a poor mans 355 essentially.


It should arrived next Tuesday. But folks, lets get some input here.

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#2 User is offline   sparquelito 

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Posted 19 November 2016 - 04:41 AM

I would respond, but I have learned to stay out of threads where fake guitars (or guitars that might even be fakes) are being discussed.

It's just better for all concerned.

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Posted 19 November 2016 - 06:34 AM

Are the knobs on the tuning pegs plastic as well?
Otherwise, it looks like my Lucille but with F holes cut into it.
Talk about a dubious modification.
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#4 User is offline   Edward Kim 

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Posted 19 November 2016 - 12:23 PM

View PostSteveFord, on 19 November 2016 - 06:34 AM, said:

Are the knobs on the tuning pegs plastic as well?
Otherwise, it looks like my Lucille but with F holes cut into it.
Talk about a dubious modification.


It's important to note I guess the tuners and the bridge was replaced but the originals are in the case?

I really, truly believe this is a modified Lucille. There is just TOO much "good" work present to be a fake.
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Posted 19 November 2016 - 01:33 PM

I missed the TP-6.
Once you get it pop off the cavity plate and take a look inside.
The neck should be a big massive round profile, too.

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#6 User is offline   Edward Kim 

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Posted 19 November 2016 - 03:34 PM

View PostSteveFord, on 19 November 2016 - 01:33 PM, said:

I missed the TP-6.
Once you get it pop off the cavity plate and take a look inside.
The neck should be a big massive round profile, too.

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That's stunning. Thank you for sharing and your input.

What should I look for in the cavity?
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Posted 19 November 2016 - 06:46 PM

Thanks, I really love this Lucille (my second one).
Post some pics of the electronics and I can compare it with mine.
Quite a few of us here have them, I'm sure others will chime in as well.
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Posted 19 November 2016 - 08:34 PM

View PostSteveFord, on 19 November 2016 - 06:46 PM, said:

Thanks, I really love this Lucille (my second one).
Post some pics of the electronics and I can compare it with mine.
Quite a few of us here have them, I'm sure others will chime in as well.


Will do on Tuesday, thank you again
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Posted 25 November 2016 - 02:27 PM

Any news on this?
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Posted 25 November 2016 - 10:50 PM

Those F holes look like crap and no TP-6. It is hard to judge where the knobs should be since My BB has no F holes. On mine all the hardware is gold, The tuners, pups, tailpeice, and bridge. If it is real someone took off the TP-6 and added F-holes. I changed a few things on mine. I added a red chicken head knob, an all black pickguard,and an all black truss rod cover and a rhythm/treble washer.

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 11:22 PM

HEY FOLKS!

So...
Got the guitar! Had them haggle it down to $1500.

1) It is bonafide REAL. It is a 1996 Lucille.
2) TP tailpiece is in the case.
3) F-Holes are cut by a luthier aftermarket

I compared the F-holes to an 335 reissue at the shop. REAL damn close. The pictures I uploaded makes the placement and size of F-Holes weird
I bought it guitar knowing well that I am buying a Lucille with F-Holes cut into it. Looks DAMN good in person. Sounds amazing too.

All in all, I am thrilled. A poor man's custom shop 355! Will be adding a B7 on it too eventually. I'll add pictures I took myself in the coming day or two

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Posted 27 November 2016 - 09:14 AM

View PostEdward Kim, on 25 November 2016 - 11:22 PM, said:

HEY FOLKS!

So...
Got the guitar! Had them haggle it down to $1500.

1) It is bonafide REAL. It is a 1996 Lucille.
2) TP tailpiece is in the case.
3) F-Holes are cut by a luthier aftermarket

I compared the F-holes to an 335 reissue at the shop. REAL damn close. The pictures I uploaded makes the placement and size of F-Holes weird
I bought it guitar knowing well that I am buying a Lucille with F-Holes cut into it. Looks DAMN good in person. Sounds amazing too.

All in all, I am thrilled. A poor man's custom shop 355! Will be adding a B7 on it too eventually. I'll add pictures I took myself in the coming day or two




Great price, but as you know the re-sale value has plummeted. The King didn't want no F-holes.
1995 - Fender American Standard Jazz Bass with Rio Grande Pickups and a Warmoth J Bass Neck
1997 - Fender American Standard Tele with Rio Grande Pickups
2000 - Gibson SG Special
2003 - Fender American Deluxe HSS Strat with Rio Grande Pickups and a Warmoth Strat Neck
2009 - Gibson BB King "Lucille" Signature Model
2009 - Kala KA-T Tenor Ukulele
2011 - Martin D-28

2014 - Gibson Les Paul Traditional Pro II (Body and Nick Project)

Fender Deville 60 Watt Combo Guitar Amp

Fender Blues Jr. 15 Watt Como Guitar Amp
Mesa Transatlantc TA-15 Head
Egnater Tweaker 40 Watt Combo Guitar Amp (On Loan To My Son)

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 03:42 PM

That's good news mate; happy it worked out nicely, and congratulations on the guitar! F-holes makes her more unique if anything Posted Image
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