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Hummingbird Vintage and Hummingbird TV Sound clip comparison

#21 User is offline   Trans 

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 10:41 PM

View Postnid2007, on 01 March 2017 - 07:36 PM, said:

Here are clips of both in Open D# tuning. For those willing to play at home, I'm not saying which is which this time.

https://soundcloud.c...-ditchek/open-1

https://soundcloud.c...-ditchek/open-2


FukC! That sounds grand. [thumbup]

I know for sure that no 2 guitars sounds the same but when you can tweak the eq and any other refinements for both set up you can really come close to one another.
Only an audiophile device can tell the difference now.[biggrin]


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 03:00 AM

Hard to say what kind of compressing/limiting SoundCloud does to the uploaded recording; Clip 2 sounded more amped, but showed lower on the bar graph of the sound file. Go figure.

Short and sweet is all that's needed for an a/b; maybe 5s of the same passage. Both are fine catches, but . . . most importantly- what are your impressions from the driver's seat? 'waiting to know.

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 06:14 AM

View Post62burst, on 02 March 2017 - 03:00 AM, said:

. . most importantly- what are your impressions from the driver's seat? 'waiting to know.


Right now, they really are putting out very similar sound. Deciding which is the keeper is difficult, and to give you some context, it is never difficult for me to to pick the one I like in a shop or elsewhere. As they are set up right now, the TV handles my heavy hand a bit better. Allowing heavier bass and strumming before breaking up. However, I am 100% sure that with the same set up, the Vintage would handle my sloppy playing equally as well, and likely become the superior sounding guitar (to me as the player).

I have not made a final decision, but I'm leaning towards keeping the TV because of the warranty and the set up. Also, I'm expecting it to be easier to recoup my cost on Vintage.

Like a lot of you, I've played catch and release with a lot Bozeman guitars over the last 10 years, so hopefully I'm qualified to say that Gibson did nice work with these particularly lively birds. They are both what we call "good ones". (I'm not saying any Gibson's are bad--I know they are all actually good, .no one take offense, it's just a phrase for that little something special.)
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 06:33 AM

*Poof* deleted reply. Forgot you had warranty on the 2012 TV.

Also- how do the bridge plates look? There have been some bridge pin holes drilled perilously close to, or into the edge of, the 'plate on some other Gibson models .

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 07:01 AM

Holding aside important questions regarding the recording and re-playing of the LIVE sounds of the 2 H'Birds, I believe our hearing apparatus is also a big variable. Some of us hear differently than others. So, the true test is - not how the recordings sound to us, but how the actual guitars sound and 'feel' to the person making the decision. I honestly can't hear a difference. But, that is probably more a function of my 'hearing apparatus' than either the guitars or variations in the recordings. I think it's clear, there isn't a 'wrong' answer for nid2 on this one.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 07:02 AM

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Also- how do the bridge plates look? There have been some bridge pin holes drilled perilously close to, or into the edge of, the 'plate on some other Gibson models .[/



Maybe tell me in a pm what to look for. I had my luthier go through true tv throughly upon set up. Maybe a Sal did the same at some point on the Vintage.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:17 AM

PM sent. Hopefully notifications working, sufficient room in message storage, and PMs enabled.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 10:02 AM

Just saw this...

I am unaware of any bridgeplate issues, or any other issues, with the Vintage. I would never sell it without a disclosure if I did. This guitar should be pristine.

I hope you decide to keep it, or move it along to someone who will love it. Honestly, with the way warranties increasingly cover less (big debate regarding Martins too), I would be less concerned about the warranty and more concerned with how the guitar makes you feel when you play it. Good luck Neil.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 10:18 AM

View PostThemisSal, on 02 March 2017 - 10:02 AM, said:

Just saw this...

I am unaware of any bridgeplate issues, or any other issues, with the Vintage. I would never sell it without a disclosure if I did. This guitar should be pristine.

I hope you decide to keep it, or move it along to someone who will love it. Honestly, with the way warranties increasingly cover less (big debate regarding Martins too), I would be less concerned about the warranty and more concerned with how the guitar makes you feel when you play it. Good luck Neil.


The guitar is pristine! I'm always hesitant to call any guitar mint, but it is as close as it gets. More new than anything I've ever seen ina GC showroom.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 10:23 AM

Yes, sorry Sal ; 'was just mentioning the bridge plate potential issue as something to keep an eye out for, in general . Sorry for any confusion.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 10:34 AM

View PostThemisSal, on 02 March 2017 - 10:02 AM, said:


Just saw this...

I hope you decide to keep it, or move it along to someone who will love it. Honestly, with the way warranties increasingly cover less (big debate regarding Martins too), I would be less concerned about the warranty and more concerned with how the guitar makes you feel when you play it. Good luck Neil.


Whichever I sell, it's been fun having both, and I will never have to wonder about what the other is like. Hopefully I break even monetarily, but even if not, I've had some guitar fun.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 11:16 AM

.................this is where the real fun begins as this decision that you will make could be a hit and miss situation. [thumbup]
We all go through that all the time specially when you have 2 great sounding Bird.
I am the under dog type of guy and 9 out of 10 it favours my way. I try not to let it bother me at the end of the day as I look at it as :
" Not meant or Meant to be " mantra! [thumbup] on whichever you pick out of the 2 Bird.

Good Luck!

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 01:03 PM

Hey ReHello - 2 marvelous sounding guitars, , , and hyper cühl playing.
As if you already connect with both these Birds - - - one that stays is a lucky flier for sure.


Hard to tell which is which - my instant within 10 secs-reaction was 2 = Vintage


, , , we'll see.


Certainly don't regret getting tickets to this show. Let the fun continue.








Why is the S-Cloud avatar-pics the same ?
You just can't keep coincidences down. .
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 01:08 PM

View PostE-minor7, on 02 March 2017 - 01:03 PM, said:

Why is the S-Cloud avatar-pics the same ?




Just to confuse you.
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 01:10 PM

View Postj45nick, on 02 March 2017 - 01:08 PM, said:

Just to confuse you.


Ha. Laziness is the real answer
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 01:38 PM

View Postj45nick, on 02 March 2017 - 01:08 PM, said:

Just to confuse you.

Then it doesn't work - what we see is the Vintage.


View Postnid2007, on 02 March 2017 - 01:10 PM, said:

Ha. Laziness is the real answer

Thought so, , , it's just me - would never miss the chance the present both tops in this situation. ;-)

, , , , would you, Nick. .


Btw - is there time for faded stings A/B ? , , that would speak
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 04:04 PM

View PostE-minor7, on 02 March 2017 - 01:03 PM, said:

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[font="Times New Roman"][size="4"]Why is the S-Cloud avatar-pics the same ?


Appropriate tops now displayed in avatar pics:

https://soundcloud.com/nid2007/open-1

https://soundcloud.com/nid2007/open-2
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Posted 02 March 2017 - 04:52 PM

View Postnid2007, on 02 March 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

Appropriate tops now displayed in avatar pics:


Appreciated





P.S - saw the different label positions as early as post #1
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Posted 03 March 2017 - 02:48 PM

Sounds great, thanks for the post. Can't wait to compare to the Epi Hummingbird I just ordered! LOL. At least I will be sure to use those strings you mentioned.
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Posted 03 March 2017 - 03:40 PM

I'm with Lars, while both guitars sound wonderful, on those recordings I find the Vintage to sound bigger, stronger, almost like a D18. The TV on the other hand sounds sweeter, warmer, with the typical Hummingbird nectar.
But I might be biased : I once played a 2016 Vintage HB that I didn't like quite as much as my beloved 2012 TV ;)
It's all a matter of taste, again two great guitars
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