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Dave's Guitar Shop No Longer a Gibson Acoustic Dealer?

#21 User is offline   Boyd 

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 05:53 PM

Bought my first house in 1982 for $34,500. That will buy a lot of Gibsons, even without taking inflation into account. ;)
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Posted 13 March 2017 - 06:05 PM

View PostMojorule, on 13 March 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

Careful there! My dad is younger than some of the more active members on this forum, all of whom manage to play quite well, and going by historical exchange rates his first house cost the sterling equivalent of $7000. Given the way in which we Brits end up paying the same number of pounds for US items as Americans pay in dollars, almost irrespective of exchange rates, his 3000 probably would've bought something closer to $4000-$5000 than to $7000 in American goods. So by today's prices, his first house cost about the same as a J45 Legend costs now. Of course there's been massive inflation since then, but in this country, house prices didn't really go crazy until 2000. So plenty of people around the age 40 were in a position to buy their first house for the cost of 5 or 6 generic high-end Gibsons and Martins: for the cost of Jannus Guy's collection, then. Wouldn't have to live in a crappy part of the country either. Of course in America you fell for the sub-prime schtick before we did here, which means that your house bubble started inflating on shaky foundations a bit before ours did. Perhaps it really was a long time ago for you lot: after all, you've just elected a renowned real estate magnate as your leader.


Roight. You blokes do math as badly as you cook.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 06:18 PM

View PostBoyd, on 13 March 2017 - 05:53 PM, said:

Bought my first house in 1982 for $34,500. That will buy a lot of Gibsons, even without taking inflation into account. ;)


Yes. 1 x J45 Vintage. 1 x SJ200 Vintage. 1 x Hummingbird Vintage. 1 x reissue 1958 ES 335. 1 x Custom Standard Historic 1959 RI LP. 1 x Historic SG Standard. 1 x ES175D 1959 RI. That's 7 generic high-end Gibsons. All of them special, but none of them a unique item. All available from Sweetwater.
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Posted 13 March 2017 - 06:37 PM

I'm not sure if it was there before, but Gibson is not listed under his authorized retailer list.

When Jon at MFG stopped dealing with Gibson a couple years ago, he was selling off his stock at cost plus a little for shipping and handling and he had one I wanted.

I wasn't sure if the warrantee would be good because he was no longer an authorized dealer so I talked Sam Ash into a price match and got the guitar at 50% off list.





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Posted 13 March 2017 - 06:51 PM

 Mojorule, on 13 March 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

Careful there! My dad is younger than some of the more active members on this forum, all of whom manage to play quite well, and going by historical exchange rates his first house cost the sterling equivalent of $7000. Given the way in which we Brits end up paying the same number of pounds for US items as Americans pay in dollars, almost irrespective of exchange rates, his 3000 probably would've bought something closer to $4000-$5000 than to $7000 in American goods. So by today's prices, his first house cost about the same as a J45 Legend costs now. Of course there's been massive inflation since then, but in this country, house prices didn't really go crazy until 2000. So plenty of people around the age 40 were in a position to buy their first house for the cost of 5 or 6 generic high-end Gibsons and Martins: for the cost of Jannus Guy's collection, then. Wouldn't have to live in a crappy part of the country either. Of course in America you fell for the sub-prime schtick before we did here, which means that your house bubble started inflating on shaky foundations a bit before ours did. Perhaps it really was a long time ago for you lot: after all, you've just elected a renowned real estate magnate as your leader.

No we didn't😢
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Posted 13 March 2017 - 06:54 PM

View PostDave F, on 13 March 2017 - 06:37 PM, said:

I'm not sure if it was there before, but Gibson is not listed under his authorized retailer list.


Correct, Dave. Gibson was not on the authorized dealer list, at least from the time that you had assisted in some 'Bird watching that I was doing at Dave's.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 07:03 PM

View PostDave F, on 13 March 2017 - 06:37 PM, said:

I'm not sure if it was there before, but Gibson is not listed under his authorized retailer list.

When Jon at MFG stopped dealing with Gibson a couple years ago, he was selling off his stock at cost plus a little for shipping and handling and he had one I wanted.

I wasn't sure if the warrantee would be good because he was no longer an authorized dealer so I talked Sam Ash into a price match and got the guitar at 50% off list.







I was able to go back to the thread from last week on this same rant and found I could re-use some of my comments.
Here's one I could cut and past that fit in here pretty well:
" The Mom&Pops would all want only one or two J45 Standards. Cork sniffers would get upset because the M&P didn't have an H'Bird Vintage. M&P would get desperate and sell the shop worn J45 at a big loss when the new models came out. . The 'never pay retail' crowd would get wind of those deep discounts and expect similar price cuts on all models, from 5 star dealers via the internet. "
Not a perfect fit - but good enough for government work.




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Posted 13 March 2017 - 07:18 PM

 fortyearspickn, on 13 March 2017 - 07:03 PM, said:

I was able to go back to the thread from last week on this same rant and found I could re-use some of my comments.
Here's one I could cut and past that fit in here pretty well:
" The Mom&Pops would all want only one or two J45 Standards. Cork sniffers would get upset because the M&P didn't have an H'Bird Vintage. M&P would get desperate and sell the shop worn J45 at a big loss when the new models came out. . The 'never pay retail' crowd would get wind of those deep discounts and expect similar price cuts on all models, from 5 star dealers via the internet. "
Not a perfect fit - but good enough for government work.

And your point?☺
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Posted 13 March 2017 - 07:34 PM

View PostOldCowboy, on 13 March 2017 - 07:18 PM, said:

And your point?☺


Two points -
One - people who say they support Mom & Pops will go buy on the Internet if they can save a buck. They also don't care if there is a 5 Star dealer down the block if they can get what they want cheaper on the Internet.
Two - this issue has been beat to death this month and we should have a reprieve until April.
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Posted 13 March 2017 - 07:47 PM

 fortyearspickn, on 13 March 2017 - 07:34 PM, said:

Two points -
One - people who say they support Mom & Pops will go buy on the Internet if they can save a buck. They also don't care if there is a 5 Star dealer down the block if they can get what they want cheaper on the Internet.
Two - this issue has been beat to death this month and we should have a reprieve until April.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 07:50 PM

View Postfortyearspickn, on 13 March 2017 - 07:34 PM, said:

Two points -
One - people who say they support Mom & Pops will go buy on the Internet if they can save a buck. They also don't care if there is a 5 Star dealer down the block if they can get what they want cheaper on the Internet.
Two - this issue has been beat to death this month and we should have a reprieve until April.



Three - I hope these comments weren't directed at me. You do not know me that well and they do not apply.




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'07 J165 RW
'10 J45 Legend
'10 Jackson Browne
'12 J200 Custom RW
'13 ES 175
'13 J185 Wildwood Modern Vintage
'13 LG-2 Banner RI (All Hog)
'14 F5L Fern Mandolin
'14 Stage Deluxe LTD
'14 1932 L00 RI
'14 Les Paul Std
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Posted 13 March 2017 - 08:02 PM

 Dave F, on 13 March 2017 - 07:50 PM, said:

Three - I hope these comments weren't directed at me. You do not know me that well and they do not apply.

S'all good to me, don't believe anybody's trying to take the discussion to a personal level.
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Posted 13 March 2017 - 08:42 PM

Nope - you're right - I don't know you that well Dave. So that's why I wasn't directing my comment to you.
I was making he general observation that some people who bemoan the erosion of the Mom & Pop retail market are the very same people who buy on the internet to get a better deal. Since you're not bemoaning - I wasn't intending or implying my comment would apply to you. Peace Out.
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Posted 13 March 2017 - 08:48 PM

View Postfortyearspickn, on 13 March 2017 - 07:34 PM, said:

Two points -
One - people who say they support Mom & Pops will go buy on the Internet if they can save a buck. They also don't care if there is a 5 Star dealer down the block if they can get what they want cheaper on the Internet.
Two - this issue has been beat to death this month and we should have a reprieve until April.


Not true at all, or at least you're making a giant generalization. I drove well over an hour for two different shops, one a 5 star dealer, and one just a regular old Gibson dealer, and each were an hour away in the opposite direction of each other! One shop didnt have any J45's when I got there (even though they told me over the phone they did), and the 5 star dealer had a nice selection, but nothing that did it for me, and they wouldn't budge more than 10% off, which would have been fine by me to pay a little more with them given I found a guitar there I loved the sound of. Would have rather paid more to get the right guitar, than to roll the dice for a few more dollars off and not have played the guitar. In the long run I wouldn't have cared that I saved another 5-10% if the guitar was a keeper. Heck, I drove 4 hours to a mom and pop shop last year to buy my Advanced Jumbo.
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Posted 13 March 2017 - 09:10 PM

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 10:05 PM

Seems to my recollection, a few years back, Sam Ash tried bucking the Gibson brand and its requirements like Dave's is trying to do. Sam Ash certainly wasn't as interesting a chain or store when that happened. And, they are since back in the fold of being a Gibson store/chain.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 11:03 PM

View PostQuestionMark, on 13 March 2017 - 10:05 PM, said:

Seems to my recollection, a few years back, Sam Ash tried bucking the Gibson brand and its requirements like Dave's is trying to do. Sam Ash certainly wasn't as interesting a chain or store when that happened. And, they are since back in the fold of being a Gibson store/chain.

QM aka Jazzman Jeff


What could we interpret all of that to possibly mean, then?

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Posted 14 March 2017 - 01:08 AM

View Post62burst, on 13 March 2017 - 11:03 PM, said:


What could we interpret all of that to possibly mean, then?


I would guess Sam Ash now fits Gibson's model, and Gibson wants them in the fold.

Same thing happened with Guitar Center. They were a Gibson dealer, then they weren't, and now they've remained a club member in good mega-stock standing since 2001.

Of course for GC it's really all about the electrics, so again here regionally, you get a bare-bones selection of acoustics out of three stores, stocking Gibsons for a metro area of 2.5 million people.

Pathetic.
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 03:45 AM

View PostMojorule, on 13 March 2017 - 03:54 PM, said:

Careful there! My dad is younger than some of the more active members on this forum, all of whom manage to play quite well, and going by historical exchange rates his first house cost the sterling equivalent of $7000. Given the way in which we Brits end up paying the same number of pounds for US items as Americans pay in dollars, almost irrespective of exchange rates, his £3000 probably would've bought something closer to $4000-$5000 than to $7000 in American goods. So by today's prices, his first house cost about the same as a J45 Legend costs now. Of course there's been massive inflation since then, but in this country, house prices didn't really go crazy until 2000. So plenty of people around the age 40 were in a position to buy their first house for the cost of 5 or 6 generic high-end Gibsons and Martins: for the cost of Jannus Guy's collection, then. Wouldn't have to live in a crappy part of the country either. Of course in America you fell for the sub-prime schtick before we did here, which means that your house bubble started inflating on shaky foundations a bit before ours did. Perhaps it really was a long time ago for you lot: after all, you've just elected a renowned real estate magnate as your leader.

Kids today think everyone paid $150,000 plus for the first home..... I only paid $40,000 for mine in 1980 (and that didn't come with wheels under it) Although I recall my dad telling me the house I grew up in cost him around $4000.00 in the early 1950's I guess my analogy went over a few heads...lol, I understand, if you'd have told me my house in the region I live in would now sell for three or maybe even 4 times what I paid for it I would have laughed too. Then again, When I got my drivers license I bought a new full sized Chevy 2 wheel drive pickup for $2,000.00 My, how times have changed.

I played in church last week with an older guy than me that had a j45, his wife bought him for a gift , I think around 1970 if I remember right, and the slip was in the case...it said $395.00. My 94 j45 I bought used 3 years ago and that cost me $1200.00 then on fleabay....makes me wonder where we're headed.
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Posted 14 March 2017 - 04:22 AM

View PostBoyd, on 13 March 2017 - 05:53 PM, said:

Bought my first house in 1982 for $34,500. That will buy a lot of Gibsons, even without taking inflation into account. ;)
True that...or a SJ250 Monarch and a couple of 42 J45 legend reproductions [smile]
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