Run Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Saw this video and I'd appreciate comments about it... goes deep because it's related to headstock angle fabrication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Yes this is all true... The angle of the headstock and the strings can cause binding if the nut is not cut correctly.. In fact that's probably the number one complaint we get on here... Gibson has tried to do something about it with their zero fret nut... But not everyone likes it. The problem Gibson have is that when they try and innovate all the traditionalists moan.. When they stick to the traditional stuff people moan that they never do anything new.. Its a tough position to be in for a company who relies so much on their history... And for the last couple of years Gibson has provided both modern and traditional models.. And yet people still moan :) I guess you could say that regardless of the nut issue that Gibsons have been used on some of the greatest rock and blues music ever, why should they change something that despite some flaws generally works.. Maybe its that headstock angle that helps provide sustain and that famous sound? Can you imagine the outcry if they were to fix that issue and reduce the headstock and string angle... Youd have people coming on here saying stuff like "if you have a LP with a smaller headstock angle its not a true LP" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 ...it goes deep because it's related to headstock angle fabrication... Yes, but if you reduced the headstock angle it wouldn't be a real Les Paul. Pip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabs Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Yes, but if you reduced the headstock angle it wouldn't be a real Les Paul. Pip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pin Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 One answer (not the only answer) is to adopt the brass nut idea which is on my 25 / 50 Les Paul and which does stay pretty well in tune (except the G string - very worn tuner). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 . Don't get yer nuts in a bunch. Good for saddles too. . B) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eracer_Team Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Many consider the Epiphone Les Paul a 'real' LP. And it's only got a 14deg back bend vs Gibson 17deg back angle. Yes, but if you reduced the headstock angle it wouldn't be a real Les Paul. Pip. Why not just cut the G string nut slot width the appropriate width for a wound G string and people would stop crying it does stay in tune? 😯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merciful-evans Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 A well designed string tee would straighten up the string path from the nut and you could retain the same headstock design. (puts tin hat on) Fire at will boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Many consider the Epiphone Les Paul a 'real' LP. And it's only got a 14deg back bend vs Gibson 17deg back angle. I strongly suspect you missed my attempt at humour regarding my reply to the last sentence in Rabs' post immediately prior to my one...hence Rabs' subsequent reply to my reply... Pip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgm Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Mine stays in tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eracer_Team Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Didn't miss the humour at all Pippy. That's why I threw out the Epiphone angle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btoth76 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Hello. A properly cut nut for a Les Paul: Gibson's idea for a notoriously string-catching nut: Bence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Didn't miss the humour at all Pippy... Ah. In which case it was ME who missed the point! Apologies! Mine stays in tune... Yes; even allowing for the fact that I have Vintage-style Klusons and I switched up to '011s on all my LPs not one of them has ever had a tuning problem. In fact they stay in tune like billy-o. Pip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam M Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 . Don't get yer nuts in a bunch. Good for saddles too. . B) . Yep totally agree, that stuff fixed the old G problem. I also now sort of push my strings on either side of the nut and bridge once I've changed strings and tuned it up. seems to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyA Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 All mine stay in tune. The ones that have even been in their cases for a couple of months are still in tune, 2013 Standard premium plus, 2014 Custom, 2016 Fort Knox. In fact both of my ES 335s and SG standard all stay in tune also. The only time I've had guitars not stay in tune was when the neck relief was off and intonation was off, other than that when the neck relief is correct, action is right, intonation is perfect...it will stay in tune. Also it's how you string it without slips and strings are stretched good new before playing. If your LP doesn't stay in tune then you might check your set up and stringing. One that is consistently out of tune, needs a real good setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibSinCity Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 With one of these, a decently cut nut and some Nut Sauce or a good lubricant like Tri-Flo, pinching and popping shouldn't be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 If you need all this equipment and such to play a guitar in tune you should be playin golf. rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old mark Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Lube the slots with graphite - pencil lead - no problems. I have 3 Les Pauls now, and had 2 others in "the old days", and never noticed a problem with them going out of tune. Are you sure you know how to correctly install your strings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibSinCity Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 If you need all this equipment and such to play a guitar in tune you should be playin golf. rct I don't. But when you have a problem like the OP, it's nice to have options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I posted this on another thread but I think it's appropriate here too: I don't have anywhere near the experience of most people on this forum. I have learned a lot from many of you. I currently have two Gibson 2017 tribute T's. One is faded burst, the other is a goldtop with a bigsby. I also have a Epi Black Beauty with a bigsby and I had two other Epis in the past. Anyway, nut sauce and a good locking string wrap, without too many wraps seems to work very well for me. Even my gold top with the bigsby stays in tune really well, at least as good as the non bigsby guitar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Run Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 There were two pages with more replies concerning this post...where is the second one containing one of my reply? So I write it again: On my LP Jr, I replaced the bronze nut with the titanium one I received from Gibson and used some graphite, I placed the P-90 pickup a little closer and parallel to the strings (using small rubber shims) and now it stays in tune and the sound is much better. I love this guitar and after following all the instructions regarding the G Force system it tunes perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPguitarman Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Mine stays in tune. So does mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saturn Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Lube the slots with graphite - pencil lead - no problems. Yep. I bought a little tube of graphite from a hobby store over 10 years ago and it's still nowhere near empty. I never even get the PING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annuvin Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 So does mine. Mine too. I never realized this was such an issue for some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old guy Posted May 6, 2017 Share Posted May 6, 2017 All of mine stay in tune. and over 40 years of playing them, I never had one that did not stay in tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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