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#1 User is offline   Hawkesman 

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 05:07 PM

Got a '94 Signature Clapton Blackie strat sat on the bench at the moment, and the TR needs a tweak. Trouble is, I can't see any way to adjust it, from either end. No hex, allen or phillips visible anywhere. Any ideas? Thanks.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 05:11 PM

Pix?

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 05:20 PM

Agreed! I'll take some shots, but I've just noticed there's a hole in the back of the neck plate, and under this is an allen bolt you can use to adjust the angle of the neck relative to the body. Weird. I don't normally work on Fenders, and I'm beginning to see why!
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 05:37 PM

On the traditional "vintage" fender necks, the adjusting nut is on the bottom end of the neck. It may not visible in the neck pocket, and is usually inaccessible without removing the neck.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 05:39 PM

Pics ...

There's nothing in the headstock hole except wood, and the diameter is tiny.

Am I being a total dunce here?!!

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:05 PM

View PostHawkesman, on 18 March 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

There's nothing in the headstock hole except wood, and the diameter is tiny.

Looks exactly like that of my American Deluxe Telecaster. It has a 1/8" hex nut and a Bi-Flex™ truss rod, that is the nut uses the walnut ring in the hole as support for bending the neck forward.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:23 PM

Hi cap. Thanks, but I promise you that there is no hex nut in the hole. I've put two pairs of reading glasses on together (!), and shone my brightest torch into it, and all there is in there is a wood plug.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 06:43 PM

View PostHawkesman, on 18 March 2017 - 06:23 PM, said:

Hi cap. Thanks, but I promise you that there is no hex nut in the hole. I've put two pairs of reading glasses on together (!), and shone my brightest torch into it, and all there is in there is a wood plug.

To be honest, this seems... strange... :unsure:
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:05 PM

Indeed it does! I'm wondering if the hex bolt at the neck plate is the key? I thought it was just a neck-angle adjuster as it obviously threads into the serrated disc seen on the neck-cavity side of the body, and this aligns perfectly with the flat disc seen on the underside of the body-end of the neck. However this isn't a disc though - underneath it's a solid cylinder which goes deep into the neck and sits astride the TR. I thought that this was just an anchor for the TR, but perhaps it's more than that. So... maybe all of this gubbins is the adjuster? Engineering-wise it just doesn't seem right, as the stresses involved in indirectly applying force to the TR in this way seem way to big.

Anyhow, once all the other work is done and the guitar is back together I'll experiment a little and let you know what happens. Fenders, eh? Nice MIA guitar though. Quality is good throughout. Better than some of the Gibsons I've owned (much gnashing of teeth!).
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Ibanez Destroyer II DT50 (1981 - owned from new)
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Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 50
H|H VS Bassamp

Cabs:
Marshall '74 2045
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:29 PM

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Nice MIA guitar though. Quality is good throughout. Better than some of the Gibsons I've owned (much gnashing of teeth!).


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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:31 PM

My 2005 Stratocaster neck looks the same, the nut is indeed in the headstock side, it is really hard to see because of the walnut plug but it is there.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 07:33 PM

View PostHawkesman, on 18 March 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

Indeed it does! I'm wondering if the hex bolt at the neck plate is the key? I thought it was just a neck-angle adjuster as it obviously threads into the serrated disc seen on the neck-cavity side of the body, and this aligns perfectly with the flat disc seen on the underside of the body-end of the neck. However this isn't a disc though - underneath it's a solid cylinder which goes deep into the neck and sits astride the TR. I thought that this was just an anchor for the TR, but perhaps it's more than that. So... maybe all of this gubbins is the adjuster? Engineering-wise it just doesn't seem right, as the stresses involved in indirectly applying force to the TR in this way seem way to big.

Anyhow, once all the other work is done and the guitar is back together I'll experiment a little and let you know what happens. Fenders, eh? Nice MIA guitar though. Quality is good throughout. Better than some of the Gibsons I've owned (much gnashing of teeth!).

My only MIA and lots of my MIM Fenders feature a Micro Tilt™ adjustment of same make, and it is just that. All it affects is the neck angle. I think it takes a 3/32" allen key. Anyway, other than the MIA, the MIM Fenders have a "normal" single-action truss-rod and a 3/16" hex nut for truss-rod adjustment.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 08:32 PM

Yes, the truss rod is to be adjusted through that little hole.

And be careful with the micro-tilt at the neck pocket. It can really throw a monkey wrench into your set up. I hate those things because it complicates setups. Normally you just have to set the truss rod with a tiny bit of relief and then adjust the height of the bridge saddles, but the micro tilt complicates matters by tweaking the "tit" of the neck in the pocket. However, if you get it just right the set up will play like butter.
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Posted 18 March 2017 - 08:47 PM

Guys,

You were, of course, quite right! I decided to assume that you were (because you usually are), and carefully inserted a small drill bit into the hole and twirled it a bit by hand. A load of wood-coloured crap came out of what proved to be the hex hole, and after much huffin' and puffin' I eventually saw the beginnings of a hex shape. What was in it, I shall never know. It looked like wood shavings, but it's a mystery to me! However, as usual, problem solved thanks to the Forum!

Cheers muchly,

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Posted 18 March 2017 - 10:16 PM

This thread had me going...glad it turned out not to be some freak guitar [flapper]
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Posted 19 March 2017 - 01:38 AM

View PostHawkesman, on 18 March 2017 - 08:47 PM, said:

Guys,

You were, of course, quite right! I decided to assume that you were (because you usually are), and carefully inserted a small drill bit into the hole and twirled it a bit by hand. A load of wood-coloured crap came out of what proved to be the hex hole, and after much huffin' and puffin' I eventually saw the beginnings of a hex shape. What was in it, I shall never know. It looked like wood shavings, but it's a mystery to me! However, as usual, problem solved thanks to the Forum!

Cheers muchly,

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:36 AM

my bro inlaws Mex Presicion bass had the same problem, the hex bolt was jammed with "something"... had to dig it all out.
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:43 AM

View PostHawkesman, on 18 March 2017 - 08:47 PM, said:

...A load of wood-coloured crap came out of what proved to be the hex hole...What was in it, I shall never know...

View Postkidblast, on 20 March 2017 - 04:36 AM, said:

my bro inlaws Mex Presicion bass had the same problem, the hex bolt was jammed with "something"... had to dig it all out...

Ear-wax?

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Thats a relief ;)

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 10:06 AM

View Postpippy, on 20 March 2017 - 04:43 AM, said:

Ear-wax?


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Danny swears it was crushed peanuts, the luthier that found this agreed. how the f--- do peanuts get in there by accident...
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 10:10 AM

View Postkidblast, on 20 March 2017 - 10:06 AM, said:

Danny swears it was crushed peanuts, the luthier that found this agreed. how the f--- do peanuts get in there by accident...


Prior to February of 2013 I would have asked the same thing. Visit the factory, you'll know how!

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