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Is there any truth to this?

#21 User is offline   Izzy 

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 09:56 AM

View PostRabs, on 13 May 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

HIDE GLUE you say...

Cant help myself :)




As a Spanish speaker, that was the most hysterical video!
Nothing to do with the topic, but thanks [flapper]

Also I concur with American Cheez. I can hear the difference between a handwired amp and its regular counterpart, but at some point, people pay to say, "take a look at THIS beauty." Its not like, "Here is my Ferrari and it is faster than your Honda." Its more like, "This toilet is made of marble, and its got a gold flusher and inside the little chain is gold too..."
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#22 User is offline   Twang Gang 

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 10:04 AM

As to the tweet - lot of blather about nothing. I wouldn't be too concerned, seems Gibson stops production of models all the time. It doesn't mean they won't start up again later if there is demand.

I recall seeing some videos from the last NAMM show, and all Gibson was showing were Historics, many models, and many finishes per model. They are probably just overstocked with them now as in the mean time they didn't stop making less expensive models which continued to sell at the usual rate. They probably just overshot how many of the super expensive guitars they could move so will stop making them until they have cleaned out inventory some.
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Posted 14 May 2017 - 10:26 AM

Ok lets try and get some more official info...

Check this vid... What I get from that is that they are stopping general production and re naming them to Historic re-issue and making the Historic re-issue the standard... But he also says that they wont be on the price list so im assuming they will only make them to order for the moment. Watch from about 2:20 if you don't want to watch the whole thing. Hes not exactly straight with his answers so make of it what you will.

Hide glue [rolleyes] :)

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#24 User is offline   Rabs 

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 11:01 AM

View PostIzzy, on 14 May 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

As a Spanish speaker, that was the most hysterical video!
Nothing to do with the topic, but thanks [flapper]


So pray tell..

What are they actually talking about ?
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Posted 14 May 2017 - 11:11 AM

View Postpippy, on 13 May 2017 - 01:49 PM, said:

It was a rhetorical question...

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luckily, i was here and helped it become....that other thing...that...isn't a rhetorical question...whatever that word is...one of those things. yeah. i did that. [tongue]
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Posted 14 May 2017 - 02:00 PM

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 02:01 PM

View PostIzzy, on 14 May 2017 - 09:56 AM, said:

"This toilet is made of marble, and its got a gold flusher and inside the little chain is gold too..."

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Yup.
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Posted 14 May 2017 - 04:20 PM

[quote name='Rabs' timestamp='1494692758' post='1855047']
HIDE GLUE you say...

Cant help myself :)


This is one of the funniest things I've seen in a while. I really got a good, hard laugh from it. Posted Image

The thing is, it's true, the R-I's are way overpriced for what they are. But, people seem to want them. If they were all the same price as a Standard or, god forbid, a studio Posted Image everyone would have one and the shelves would be packed with studios and standards they can't sell and the custom shop would be overwhelmed.

I have a new limited edition LP that I love, it's great. But, I just got done playing my tribute T gold top which left me with a smile. Posted Image
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Posted 15 May 2017 - 02:15 AM

View PostRabs, on 14 May 2017 - 10:26 AM, said:






Wow. That's the longest splurge of bull**it I've ever heard. What was True Historic is now normal? But you can pay through the nose for someone to apply more bs. A top/neck etc have to be glued, so the glue you use is irrelevant. The plastics are plastic. That's that and now you can pay to have the grain straighter? ](*,) [confused] [confused]
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Posted 15 May 2017 - 03:05 PM

View PostBlack Dog, on 14 May 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

If they were all the same price as a Standard or, god forbid, a studio Posted Image everyone would have one and the shelves would be packed with studios and standards they can't sell and the custom shop would be overwhelmed.


but then they wouldn't be custom anymore, would they? they'd almost be regulars [laugh]
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Posted 15 May 2017 - 04:02 PM

If they were to blow out the unsold stock would it devalue guitars already sold? If so those buyers would be pissed.
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Posted 15 May 2017 - 06:50 PM

View PostRabs, on 14 May 2017 - 11:01 AM, said:

So pray tell..

What are they actually talking about ?


He is a cook in a restaurant it seems and he had just gotten out of the shower hair all messy in flip flops and his superior was asking that he get on with it and bring out the paella, but the joke is that he is finding himself more amusing than the story itself. That or I am missing some innuendo about the tide rising on the beach where he was to serve the paella. Its his laugh that's made me lmao
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Posted 16 May 2017 - 08:33 AM

Even after watching the video, I'm still not sure what they're doing. The hide glue guy video was funnier.

It sounded like they'll still be available but they're calling them something else and they're made to order. I used to think that's exactly what the Custom Shop guitars were. It doesn't make sense to be making a lot of high end guitars and have them sit on a shelf because some people would have to get a 5 year loan just to pay for them.
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Posted 16 May 2017 - 08:50 AM

View Postamerican cheez, on 15 May 2017 - 03:05 PM, said:

but then they wouldn't be custom anymore, would they? they'd almost be regulars [laugh]


Yeah, that was kind of my point although, not so clearly stated.

Here's what I would do. I would make a new line, not from the custom shop but from Gibson USA. I'd call it the "VL" series for "Vintage look". Forget the glue, the plastic, blah blah blah. Just keep the deep set neck, vintage looking finish, ABR bridge and nicer tops. Price them maybe just a little more than a standard (which is still an expensive guitar).

Then Keep the Custom shop doing things that are really custom like artist editions, the silly aged thing, special magic plastic and glue with eye of newt, toe of frog and that sort of thing.

Then everyone would be happy, or at least happier. Except for the newts, frogs and hide donors, of course.
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Posted 16 May 2017 - 08:53 AM

I thought, after seeing that, they were going back to how one used to order "Custom made" (True Historics, etc.) guitars,
way back when. More on a pre-order "case by case basis," instead of having a bunch made, and hoping they'll sell? But,
maybe they'll do limited runs like that, for those that will only buy "Custom Shop" versions? Who knows? And, the regular
"Historic's" will now have the TH build quality, parts, but not quite the personal spec's that the custom order TH will have.

Then again, it may be just "Marketing" that changes, a bit! They do SO like to keep us guessing, and (often times) confused! [biggrin] [flapper]


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Posted 16 May 2017 - 09:03 AM

View Postcharlie brown, on 16 May 2017 - 08:53 AM, said:

...They do SO like to keep us guessing, and (often times) confused...

One might almost say we are Dazed and Confused...

My understanding of what the guy was trying to say was that the next incarnation of the regular R-I's will feature some of the stuff currently on the T-Hs and the next series of T-Hs will be more like a made-to-measure idea on a one-off customer order basis as regards tops, backs, necks and so on goes.

This seems a sensible approach to me; the regular R-Is are closer to being 'accurate' and the really-silly-money guitars are only made when they are specially ordered.

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 09:11 AM

View Postpippy, on 16 May 2017 - 09:03 AM, said:

This seems a sensible approach to me; the regular R-Is are closer to being 'accurate'


Jesus, how long does it take to "accurate"(ly) reproduce your own property? These things have been getting ever more "accurate" since they started!

No offense to anyone that uses them but christ, how long am I supposed to believe they just can't get that last smidgeon of tenon figured out?

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 09:42 AM

View Postrct, on 16 May 2017 - 09:11 AM, said:

...how long am I supposed to believe they just can't get that last smidgeon of tenon figured out?...

Oh, I think everyone knows they are just going to milk this as much as they feel they can.

As far as the Forthcoming Really Truly Madly Deeply Historics go it's all down to how much importance prospective buyers put on 'molecular level' plastics and the like.
I'm not likely to be in their number but I have no beef with those who appreciate such attention to detail. And it must be enjoyable for those craftsmen involved to be building guitars like this for those with the inclination.

The 'regular' R-I's? That's a slightly different matter IMO. I don't give a rat's fart about the composition of the plastics nor whether the lower surface of the legs of the PAF's have the 'L' shaped tooling mark but I do like to see them get the things looking and playing as close as possible to the real-deal.

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 09:45 AM

The guy's a walking pamphlet of Gibson historical infomobilia. I need to find a pencil and write that stuff down before I forget! [biggrin]
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Posted 16 May 2017 - 09:51 AM

View Postpippy, on 16 May 2017 - 09:42 AM, said:

Oh, I think everyone knows they are just going to milk this as much as they feel they can.

As far as the Forthcoming Really Truly Madly Deeply Historics go it's all down to how much importance prospective buyers put on 'molecular level' plastics and the like.
I'm not likely to be in their number but I have no beef with those who 'appreciate' such attention to detail. And it must be enjoyable for those craftsmen building guitars like this for those with the inclination.

The 'regular' R-I's? That's a slightly different matter IMO. I don't give a rat's fart about the composition of the plastics nor whether the lower surface of the legs of the PAF's have the 'L' shaped tooling mark but I do like to see them get the things looking and playing as close as possible to the real-deal.
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NONE of them are truly "Historically Accurate," as they aren't using OLD original woods, Rosewood or otherwise, because they can't
get them! And, too much CNC, to be THAT "Historically Accurate" with all the wonky things, the originals are known to have, good or
bad. They're just R-I's with more personal attention! IMHO. [flapper] [biggrin] Maybe Gibson
needs to adjust the "R-I" to mean "Re-interpretation" rather than Re-Issue? [tongue] [biggrin]


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