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#21 User is offline   JuanCarlosVejar 

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 07:46 AM

 bobouz, on 16 September 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

Again, I'm sure there are some good ones out there (and maybe cherry picked for NAMM?), but the ones I've played have sounded fairly thin. Add to that the non-Gibsonish appointments & richlite F&B on many models, and it adds up to some rather pedestrian stuff, IMHO of course.

Perhaps I'll be dead wrong, and this new lineup will take off in popularity. That would certainly be a good thing for Gibson.


You said It was a waste of timeand money .
I actually asked Don how and why they came up with this series... His response was that after doing some research about the consumer they were able to find out that many people wanted a guitar with the features you see on the HP series.

Not trying to be critical here ... Just passing on the info that I have been given.



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Posted 18 September 2017 - 08:18 AM

I am glad Bozeman is listening to the market. Consumer Research is definitely called for. Just reading comments on this Forum would only confuse them.
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Posted 18 September 2017 - 08:49 AM

Just noticed on L&M's site up here in Canada a new listing for 2018 J-45's. Can. $2849 for the Std. and left-handed versions but no delivery for 60 days. The 2016's that are the current stock are $2899. Seems odd.
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Posted 18 September 2017 - 10:04 AM

Sounds like you guys have it pretty good, eh? $2849 CDN is $2330 USD at current exchange rate. Guitar Center lists the 2018 J-45 standard at $2749 USD. The 2016 is more comparable though, $2899 CDN would be $2371 USD and Guitar Center lists the 2016 J-45 standard at $2399 USD. Either way, it looks like we could save some money by purchasing our guitars in Canada, and I have noticed this to be the case for several years now. :)
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Posted 18 September 2017 - 10:10 AM

View PostBoyd, on 18 September 2017 - 10:04 AM, said:

Sounds like you guys have it pretty good, eh? $2849 CDN is $2330 USD at current exchange rate. Guitar Center lists the 2018 J-45 standard at $2749 USD. The 2016 is more comparable though, $2899 CDN would be $2371 USD and Guitar Center lists the 2016 J-45 standard at $2399 USD. Either way, it looks like we could save some money by purchasing our guitars in Canada, and I have noticed this to be the case for several years now. :)

Thanks, eh. We welcome U.S. dollars up here on the barren tundra. Keep it comin'.
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Posted 18 September 2017 - 01:54 PM

View PostJuanCarlosVejar, on 18 September 2017 - 07:46 AM, said:

You said It was a waste of timeand money .
I actually asked Don how and why they came up with this series... His response was that after doing some research about the consumer they were able to find out that many people wanted a guitar with the features you see on the HP series.

JC - In this case, I forgot to put IMHO, which I generally try to remember to do. What I've expressed is truly just my opinion. I hope I'm wrong, but I think Gibson has missed the mark in their execution of the HP series.

Remember a while back when Martin came out with a Taylorish pickguard on their then-new Performing Artist series? All gone now, and back to the teardrop pickguard. When it comes to Gibsons & Martins, I think most buyers are interested in the historical connection that visual cues bring to the instrument.

Imho, this simply appears to be another facelift attempt to capture some of the Taylor pie. Along with the new pickguard, some of the HP bridges have a slight "smiley-face" upturn to them.

Doing market research is a good thing. How you interpret the information is another matter altogether. I sincerely hope the market research didn't just say that people want Taylors with Richlite!
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Posted 19 September 2017 - 10:11 AM

I tried the HP guitars, I like the necks but the tone didn't really suit my playing style. I want rumbling, throaty, chiming Gibson-ness, which my squares and super jumbos give me all day long. The HPs weren't unpleasant and are certainly very good instruments, but not a flavour that set my palate tingling. Maybe one day I'll pick one up that speaks to me.

You know what IS a stupid waste of time? Those "Progressive" J45s with the Tune-O-Tragic bridge. 😳
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Posted 19 September 2017 - 11:04 AM

View Postbobouz, on 18 September 2017 - 01:54 PM, said:

JC - In this case, I forgot to put IMHO, which I generally try to remember to do. What I've expressed is truly just my opinion. I hope I'm wrong, but I think Gibson has missed the mark in their execution of the HP series.

Remember a while back when Martin came out with a Taylorish pickguard on their then-new Performing Artist series? All gone now, and back to the teardrop pickguard. When it comes to Gibsons & Martins, I think most buyers are interested in the historical connection that visual cues bring to the instrument.

Imho, this simply appears to be another facelift attempt to capture some of the Taylor pie. Along with the new pickguard, some of the HP bridges have a slight "smiley-face" upturn to them.

Doing market research is a good thing. How you interpret the information is another matter altogether. I sincerely hope the market research didn't just say that people want Taylors with Richlite!


Maybe theydmissed the mark for you, me, and many of us here, but we are only a tiny representation of the market, and dare I say, a VERY small representation of the market! Given that companies like Taylor absolutely crush Gibson as far as sales and exposure, it kind of makes sense for Gibson to try and branch out and get a piece of that pie. Just because there are many of us here that seem to prefer the tried and true styles, vintage appointments and are resistant to change (myself included) doesn't mean that's how everyone else thinks, or it's what everyone else wants.
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Posted 19 September 2017 - 11:06 AM

View PostJinder, on 19 September 2017 - 10:11 AM, said:

I tried the HP guitars, I like the necks but the tone didn't really suit my playing style. I want rumbling, throaty, chiming Gibson-ness, which my squares and super jumbos give me all day long. The HPs weren't unpleasant and are certainly very good instruments, but not a flavour that set my palate tingling. Maybe one day I'll pick one up that speaks to me.

You know what IS a stupid waste of time? Those "Progressive" J45s with the Tune-O-Tragic bridge. 😳


Makes sense you wouldn't like the HP, since it seems like they are trying to work their way into that WWJP/Taylor crowd, and as we all know Taylors are voiced nothing like Gibsons. Even if I prefer the traditional Gibson sound, neither is better or worse, just different.
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Posted 19 September 2017 - 06:39 PM

View Postsbpark, on 19 September 2017 - 11:04 AM, said:

Maybe theydmissed the mark for you, me, and many of us here, but we are only a tiny representation of the market, and dare I say, a VERY small representation of the market! Given that companies like Taylor absolutely crush Gibson as far as sales and exposure, it kind of makes sense for Gibson to try and branch out and get a piece of that pie. Just because there are many of us here that seem to prefer the tried and true styles, vintage appointments and are resistant to change (myself included) doesn't mean that's how everyone else thinks, or it's what everyone else wants.

I'm not sure I agree 100%. Yes, Taylor crushes Gibson Acoustic in terms of sales volumes, but I think its the other way around in terms of desirability. It seems to me, I see 10 Gibson's for every Taylor whenever I look at upper end performers. Young kids auditioning for "America's Got Talent" may have an $800 Taylor in a gig bag - because they think that's cool - but you see Gibson's on Austin City Limits, Nashville, etc. Of course, as you noted, we here are not representative of the emerging market Bozeman has to deal with.



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 07:13 PM

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 12:51 PM

View Postolie, on 18 September 2017 - 08:49 AM, said:

Just noticed on L&M's site up here in Canada a new listing for 2018 J-45's. Can. $2849 for the Std. and left-handed versions but no delivery for 60 days. The 2016's that are the current stock are $2899. Seems odd.


It's just Yorkville's way of telling you they have a warehouse full of old product to sell before they order the new stuff. If they have 2016's in stock and are selling them what happened to the 2017's? The pricing does seem odd. I think I'd wait for the 2018's and save the $50.00. But then I still find it odd that 2017's are not in stock. It seems like a silly exercise in marketing but.....
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Posted 20 September 2017 - 01:06 PM

Actually yorkville has backed off on alot of guitars. Anything pretaining to high end is special order. Montana specials very seldom in stock ..Most of the guitars they carry they class as b stock whether demos or guitars that had flaws which theres been alot. Thwy carry alot of common stock. But there prices dont change much from last years to this years models. And with the dollar being weak does not help.
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Posted 20 September 2017 - 02:51 PM

View Postslimt, on 20 September 2017 - 01:06 PM, said:

And with the dollar being weak does not help.


Well my point was that if you convert your Canadian dollars to Gibson guitars, they will be worth more in US dollars than the current exchange rate. Buy guitars, fight inflation! :)
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Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:07 PM

Ive always looked at the u.s list as a base for a retail price in canada. Sometimes we get luckier when the dollars at par. Thats at l&m though i wont say about other dealers. They have a commision base and seem to seperate case from guitar to make more
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Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:07 PM

I've had a chance to look at the prices ... These prices are insane in my opinion.They still have som resonable prices 2,000 and 3000 guitars but look at the SJ 200 Vintage it's $5700 ... That's too much money !!!


I wanted another Maple jumbo but it looks like I'll have to look for something NOS.



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:22 PM

View PostJuanCarlosVejar, on 20 September 2017 - 10:07 PM, said:

I've had a chance to look at the prices ... These prices are insane in my opinion.They still have som resonable prices 2,000 and 3000 guitars but look at the SJ 200 Vintage it's $5700 ... That's too much money !!!


I wanted another Maple jumbo but it looks like I'll have to look for something NOS.



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Ive been complaining about the prices for sometime.. with good reason.. and they wont be going down.. the market is getting smaller here and the prices are rising on limited quanities..
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 12:20 AM

 slimt, on 20 September 2017 - 10:22 PM, said:

Ive been complaining about the prices for sometime.. with good reason.. and they wont be going down.. the market is getting smaller here and the prices are rising on limited quanities..

I never complained about pricing until now .
I doubt the quality can get any better than what they have been putting out and a $300 price increase on the J 200 T compared to 2017 isn't really a good deal. For me the "upper end" gibsons were always well priced until now 5.7 k is too much green on Henry J's part .

I still love the brand and the product.But I will be looking into whatever NOS models I can find or some of the reasonably priced models.




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Posted 21 September 2017 - 03:35 AM

Buy all the Birds you can - to buy here, phew, Bird Vintage Mahogany with Adi torrefied top is $AU2000 more than my hand made new Lowden O22 Mahogany with Cedar!



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Posted 21 September 2017 - 05:46 AM

View PostBluesKing777, on 21 September 2017 - 03:35 AM, said:

Buy all the Birds you can - to buy here, phew, Bird Vintage Mahogany with Adi torrefied top is $AU2000 more than my hand made new Lowden O22 Mahogany with Cedar!



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