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#41 User is offline   J-1854Me 

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 11:33 AM

View PostJuanCarlosVejar, on 21 September 2017 - 12:20 AM, said:

I never complained about pricing until now .
I doubt the quality can get any better than what they have been putting out and a $300 price increase on the J 200 T compared to 2017 isn't really a good deal. For me the "upper end" gibsons were always well priced until now 5.7 k is too much green on Henry J's part .

I still love the brand and the product.But I will be looking into whatever NOS models I can find or some of the reasonably priced models.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 07:35 PM

I've been through this thread 2x and came away confused.
Scores of anecdotes comparing prices on: different models, different exchange rates, spans of 4 years, prices Paid in 2015 compared to List prices in 2017, etc.
It can be Very Confusing if you compare apples and oranges.
I had the opportunity in my prior life to be responsible for maintaining 'list' prices for large organizations. Occasionally I had to deal with 'the press' defending price increases. And trying to explain them.
So - i thought it might help to cut through the confusion and look at prices TODAY at one of the largest US retailers for Gibson.
I looked at Guitar Center online and found that, for the J45 and SJ200 - 2017 prices are actually lower:
J45 2016 is $2399 while the 2017 is $2149 which is $250 or 10.4% LOWER.
SJ200 2016 is $4349 while the 2017 is $3899 which is $450 or 10.3% LOWER.

We can look at possible 2018 prices, and less common models. We can question whether prices on the new HP product line, should be considered price increases or just 'adjustments'. And, of course, any here have stated some models, like the J15 were underpriced in the past.
So - to me, the only question is - if you are considering buying a New Gibson Acoustic: "What is the prices today you would have to pay for the model you want in the country you live, and do you think that price is reasonable?
Prices someone else paid or some retailer charged a week ago, a month ago or a year ago are irrelevant. As Dilbert use to tell his Pointy Hair Boss - "That was then, This is Now."
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:53 PM

View Postfortyearspickn, on 21 September 2017 - 07:35 PM, said:

I've been through this thread 2x and came away confused.
Scores of anecdotes comparing prices on: different models, different exchange rates, spans of 4 years, prices Paid in 2015 compared to List prices in 2017, etc.
It can be Very Confusing if you compare apples and oranges.
I had the opportunity in my prior life to be responsible for maintaining 'list' prices for large organizations. Occasionally I had to deal with 'the press' defending price increases. And trying to explain them.
So - i thought it might help to cut through the confusion and look at prices TODAY at one of the largest US retailers for Gibson.
I looked at Guitar Center online and found that, for the J45 and SJ200 - 2017 prices are actually lower:
J45 2016 is $2399 while the 2017 is $2149 which is $250 or 10.4% LOWER.
SJ200 2016 is $4349 while the 2017 is $3899 which is $450 or 10.3% LOWER.

We can look at possible 2018 prices, and less common models. We can question whether prices on the new HP product line, should be considered price increases or just 'adjustments'. And, of course, any here have stated some models, like the J15 were underpriced in the past.
So - to me, the only question is - if you are considering buying a New Gibson Acoustic: "What is the prices today you would have to pay for the model you want in the country you live, and do you think that price is reasonable?
Prices someone else paid or some retailer charged a week ago, a month ago or a year ago are irrelevant. As Dilbert use to tell his Pointy Hair Boss - "That was then, This is Now."

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 11:02 PM

Nice to hear a different 'take' on this. Seems to me that prices, depending on where you are,and where you buy, and who you are,can vary at any given time. Not exactly a new concept, in my experience. Then and now is a big factor, as well.
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Posted 22 September 2017 - 12:17 AM

View Postfortyearspickn, on 21 September 2017 - 07:35 PM, said:

I've been through this thread 2x and came away confused.
Scores of anecdotes comparing prices on: different models, different exchange rates, spans of 4 years, prices Paid in 2015 compared to List prices in 2017, etc.
It can be Very Confusing if you compare apples and oranges.
I had the opportunity in my prior life to be responsible for maintaining 'list' prices for large organizations. Occasionally I had to deal with 'the press' defending price increases. And trying to explain them.
So - i thought it might help to cut through the confusion and look at prices TODAY at one of the largest US retailers for Gibson.
I looked at Guitar Center online and found that, for the J45 and SJ200 - 2017 prices are actually lower:
J45 2016 is $2399 while the 2017 is $2149 which is $250 or 10.4% LOWER.
SJ200 2016 is $4349 while the 2017 is $3899 which is $450 or 10.3% LOWER.

We can look at possible 2018 prices, and less common models. We can question whether prices on the new HP product line, should be considered price increases or just 'adjustments'. And, of course, any here have stated some models, like the J15 were underpriced in the past.
So - to me, the only question is - if you are considering buying a New Gibson Acoustic: "What is the prices today you would have to pay for the model you want in the country you live, and do you think that price is reasonable?
Prices someone else paid or some retailer charged a week ago, a month ago or a year ago are irrelevant. As Dilbert use to tell his Pointy Hair Boss - "That was then, This is Now."






(I don't know if this is reality or wishful thinking on their part but the shop is sort of like GC kind of thing)


Ha, and the winner is:



http://www.allansbil...5-(True-Vintage)-Dreadnought-Acoustic-Guitar-(Vintage-Sunburst).aspx


http://www.allansbil...tic-Guitar.aspx


And yes, the company went broke err....twice...



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Posted 22 September 2017 - 03:05 AM

View Postfortyearspickn, on 21 September 2017 - 07:35 PM, said:

I looked at Guitar Center online and found that, for the J45 and SJ200 - 2017 prices are actually lower:
J45 2016 is $2399 while the 2017 is $2149 which is $250 or 10.4% LOWER.
SJ200 2016 is $4349 while the 2017 is $3899 which is $450 or 10.3% LOWER.

The 2017s at Guitar Center are only lower than the 2016s because GC & Gibson have been running a promotion to blow out the 2017s & make room for incoming 2018 models (both acoustics and electrics). The GC-MF warehouse already has many of the new 2018 models in stock.

Until this promotion began, the 2017 models were the same price as their 2016 counterparts.
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Posted 25 September 2017 - 06:10 AM

View PostJuanCarlosVejar, on 20 September 2017 - 10:07 PM, said:

I've had a chance to look at the prices ... These prices are insane in my opinion.They still have som resonable prices 2,000 and 3000 guitars but look at the SJ 200 Vintage it's $5700 ... That's too much money !!!


I wanted another Maple jumbo but it looks like I'll have to look for something NOS.



JC


I have had the same 2 Martins for 20 years, HD28 and D12-28. I had become bored with them, changing strings weekly for inspiration. Last year was a good year for my business and having turned 51 decided to not get a sports car and go on a guitar buying binge. After buying new; Western Classic Mystic, 1938 SJ-200, Southern Jumbo, J-45 Custom and of course, a D-42, I am now looking at the 2018 SJ-200 Vintage. The price of the Vintage is in about the same price bracket as the 1938 SJ-200 and Western Classic Mystic, but it seems the models under this price has gone up. I am not surprised, all guitar prices are always going up. So I figure now is the time to stock up on guitars. Who knows what will even be available in the future. BTW, I don't expect to pay $5700 for the Vintage.
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Posted 25 September 2017 - 06:46 AM

View Postolie, on 18 September 2017 - 08:49 AM, said:

Just noticed on L&M's site up here in Canada a new listing for 2018 J-45's. Can. $2849 for the Std. and left-handed versions but no delivery for 60 days. The 2016's that are the current stock are $2899. Seems odd.

Update girls and boys. Seems L&M put a wrong price on their website as reported the other day because they have changed the J-45 Std. to Can. $3099. This makes more sense.
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 05:01 AM

One upside to Gibson dating the truss rod covers on the new guitars is that NOS guits are becoming increasingly bargainiferous compared to new instruments. Still on the rich side but much cheaper than new stock in the UK at least. Over here, dealers are hidebound to take a certain amount of stock, an arbitrary selection of guitars at Gibson's choosing, and obviously top end stuff doesn't shift too quickly. When I bought my 2015 SJ200 a year ago, the dealer had a stockroom full of Gibsons, and FIVE SJ200s in stock, two 2015s and three 2016s. This was in late September and he was about to take delivery of new 2017 models, leaving him with two guitars that were nearly two years out of date.

Obviously an exquisitely choice deal was easy to negotiate, and it worked for me as the 2015s were Fishman equipped and the '16s had the Baggs Anthem system which I don't much care for.

It's pretty inarguable that it makes for a poor business model to sell new guitars, but the savagely discounted NOS is a handy side effect for us lot.
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 01:32 PM

View PostJinder, on 26 September 2017 - 05:01 AM, said:

One upside to Gibson dating the truss rod covers on the new guitars is that NOS guits are becoming increasingly bargainiferous compared to new instruments. Still on the rich side but much cheaper than new stock in the UK at least. Over here, dealers are hidebound to take a certain amount of stock, an arbitrary selection of guitars at Gibson's choosing, and obviously top end stuff doesn't shift too quickly. When I bought my 2015 SJ200 a year ago, the dealer had a stockroom full of Gibsons, and FIVE SJ200s in stock, two 2015s and three 2016s. This was in late September and he was about to take delivery of new 2017 models, leaving him with two guitars that were nearly two years out of date.

Obviously an exquisitely choice deal was easy to negotiate, and it worked for me as the 2015s were Fishman equipped and the '16s had the Baggs Anthem system which I don't much care for.

It's pretty inarguable that it makes for a poor business model to sell new guitars, but the savagely discounted NOS is a handy side effect for us lot.


Very true !!!

The funny thing is a 2017 J 200 might not be too different from a 2015 J 200 except for what you have mentioned (the electronics package).

For me being a lefty NOS guitars will have to do I just can't keep up with these price increases .


I can no longer continue to be picky about what I want



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Posted 27 September 2017 - 06:47 AM

View PostJuanCarlosVejar, on 26 September 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

Very true !!!

The funny thing is a 2017 J 200 might not be too different from a 2015 J 200 except for what you have mentioned (the electronics package).

For me being a lefty NOS guitars will have to do I just can't keep up with these price increases .


I can no longer continue to be picky about what I want



JC


You're right JC! I played all five SJ200s the dealer had in stock when I bought mine, and the two 2015s felt very similar. Mine had the edge tone wise and a better neck angle than all the others, so that one came home with me. I couldn't discern any differences construction wise between the '15s and '16s, just the electronics.
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Posted 30 September 2017 - 04:19 AM

View PostLars68, on 13 September 2017 - 01:34 AM, said:

I just checked thomann.de for euro prices. I use them as sort of a benchmark for european pricing. A Hummingbird Vintage 2017 model is EUR 2900, while the new Hummingbird Standard 2018 is EUR 3300.
That is INSANE money for the new guitars.

Lars


Actually 2018 hummingbird is priced at $3849 on gibson website ... Seems to be the standard, just a "vintage cherry burst".
That's pricey for red pigments.
At the time i bought mine, woods were described (AAA top) and rosewood and hog origins too... spec havnt changed.... and it was way cheaper.

Looks like a +10% each year or so.

For comparison, i was at a national Luthier festival in FR last week and most guitars were ranged from 2k-4k (appart from the most famous luthier, about 7k+), all these instruments signed and handcraft by these luthiers.
A beautiful back & sides rio sold for 3.6k, cheaper than the 2018 hummingbird.

So yes, out of control...
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Posted 02 October 2017 - 08:35 AM

All I know is that I got an email from Sweetwater with a new LOW price for a LG-2 that was $200 more than it was a few months ago. Wow.
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Posted 02 October 2017 - 10:06 AM

The 2018 vintage j200 I'm looking at is a thousand dollars less than the listed price at my local gc
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 02:38 PM

As for that new low price in the email from Sweetwater, it is $300 more than the price in their printed catalog I just got in the mail. Hmmm.
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 05:27 PM

Gibson also raised the price of the j200 I was looking at by $500 in the middle of me talking to GC about buying it. That wound up being a deal breaker for me.
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 10:04 AM

View Postgeneraldreedle, on 05 October 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

Gibson also raised the price of the j200 I was looking at by $500 in the middle of me talking to GC about buying it. That wound up being a deal breaker for me.


Thatís shocking!! So GC didnít honour the original price? I would have torn them a new one for wasting my time...to be honest, GC should take the hit on things like that to curry favour with customers, absolutely disgusted that they didnít. Did you buy the Hummingbird in the end?
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 10:23 AM

View PostJinder, on 07 October 2017 - 10:04 AM, said:

Thatís shocking!! So GC didnít honour the original price? I would have torn them a new one for wasting my time...to be honest, GC should take the hit on things like that to curry favour with customers, absolutely disgusted that they didnít. Did you buy the Hummingbird in the end?


No, the 200 tone was amazing, couldn't go back to the hummingbird after that. I may go in and complain, I've bought three guitars there, I'll take my business elsewhere
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