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what is this? anyone know what i have found?

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 03:40 PM

I found this in a pile of guitars I bought and can't find anything out about it

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 03:46 PM

I have never seen this head stock either. ser# shows 1969 model

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 03:56 AM

this guitar also has oval neck inlays i have never seen. ser# 587876 . i don't know if its a fake or just some odd guitar gibson built. please give me any info or advice you can.

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 04:14 AM

The bridge looks exactly like my late 70s-early 80s Schecter bridge from here - 2 screws for each saddle have to be adjusted from either side of the bridge, which is slghtly offset due to position of the mounting shaft holes (hope that makes sense!), so I'm 99% sure that is a Schecter bridge. Mine is still in use.

I'm no expert but this is definitely NOT a 'true' Gibson IMO due to the body, neck inlays and headstock which just looks the wrong shape, even with the piece of paper concealing the top of it.
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Posted 27 September 2017 - 04:20 AM

Surely an early custom-build.

Many features are quite similar to the cousin Recording model, but the headstock inlay and custom fret marker inlays tell a different story.


A very odd and rare guitar, no doubt.

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 04:27 AM

View Postjdgm, on 27 September 2017 - 04:14 AM, said:

The bridge looks exactly like my late 70s-early 80s Schecter bridge from here - 2 screws for each saddle have to be adjusted from either side of the bridge, which is slghtly offset due to position of the mounting shaft holes (hope that makes sense!), so I'm 99% sure that is a Schecter bridge. Mine is still in use.

I'm no expert but this is definitely NOT a 'true' Gibson IMO due to the body, neck inlays and headstock which just looks the wrong shape, even with the piece of paper concealing the top of it.


sorry about the paper, it's to help me keep up with what guitar goes with what case. i bought 20 guitars from an estate sale.
i have no idea what this is the head stock looks right except the oval inlay. looks like a cheaper recorder.
it really sounds and plays great and will be a fun guitar to own, i jut wonder if it has any value.
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Posted 27 September 2017 - 07:11 AM

Some of the features are sort of odd, the bridge might have been changed at some point, but I would say it is very likely an early Les Paul low impedance prototype. Rob Van Den Broek within the last year wrote a book on Gibson basses. He owns a similar bass prototype. Many of the features are similar. I think you have a great find!

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 07:43 AM

Thanks ill look it up
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Posted 27 September 2017 - 09:33 AM

One of my other books also has a short reference to these prototypes.............

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Posted 27 September 2017 - 05:02 PM

View PostGrog, on 27 September 2017 - 09:33 AM, said:

One of my other books also has a short reference to these prototypes.............

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very close but different still. I am going to try calling gibson and see if they can tell me anything.
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Posted 27 September 2017 - 06:23 PM

Looks like I'm wrong then (no expert as I said) :-# - the one in the pic is close enough......'low-z prototype'.....hmmm :-k
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Posted 27 September 2017 - 06:31 PM

View Postracer, on 27 September 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

very close but different still. I am going to try calling gibson and see if they can tell me anything.


Prototypes usually evolve as they try different designs. The inlays & headstock design on yours is puzzling. Almost as if an employee built it for himself............
You might want to contact Walter Carter at Carters Vintage Guitars. He's a great Gibson historian.
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Posted 28 September 2017 - 06:23 AM

Thank you for the info. I will try to contact him. If i find out anything ill post it here.
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Posted 02 October 2017 - 07:42 PM

[quote name='Grog' timestamp='1506558718' post='1883625']
Prototypes usually evolve as they try different designs. The inlays & headstock design on yours is puzzling. Almost as if an employee built it for himself............
You might want to contact Walter Carter at Carters Vintage Guitars. He's a great Gibson historian.
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i sent pics to mr carter and he said that he did not know what it was buy he was sure that it was not a gibson. not what i was hoping for but a great sounding and playing guitar.

thanks guys for the help
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Posted 02 October 2017 - 07:42 PM

[quote name='Grog' timestamp='1506558718' post='1883625']
Prototypes usually evolve as they try different designs. The inlays & headstock design on yours is puzzling. Almost as if an employee built it for himself............
You might want to contact Walter Carter at Carters Vintage Guitars. He's a great Gibson historian.
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i sent pics to mr carter and he said that he did not know what it was buy he was sure that it was not a gibson. not what i was hoping for but a great sounding and playing guitar.

thanks guys for the help
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Posted 02 October 2017 - 09:59 PM

I still think it is a low impedance prototype. It has the low impedance pickups before the Gibson Logo was molded on the top of them............... I'm intrigued by it!
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