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Ha ha ha........ the case for passive systems

#21 User is offline   blindboygrunt 

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 04:48 AM

Whatís everyone else gone for ?

If youíre thought that a passive pickup would do me then Iíd have no worries
Any issues with for instance a k&k straight from j45 into a fishman soloamp ?
Pub gigs , no concert halls or anything spectacular ?
Would I ever be found wanting ??

Very interested in this
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#22 User is offline   sjl200 

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 04:58 AM

If you put a battery inside your guitar ......then you better put one of These in your guitar case....jmo

There is no excuse for having a dead battery at a gig....just say'en [cursing]
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 05:03 AM

View Postsjl200, on 03 October 2017 - 04:58 AM, said:

If you put a battery inside your guitar ......then you better put one of These in your guitar case....jmo

There is no excuse for having a dead battery at a gig....just say'en [cursing]


Well if yer a gadget man when the little volt reader is useful
But a spare battery in the bag would be more use
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#24 User is offline   sjl200 

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 06:12 AM

Well the obvious......
You drive with out a spare tire expect a flat......
Check your pressure regularly and a flat is less likely
9 volt batteries and easy to carry ......no excuses
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 07:00 AM

Most simple active undersaddle pickups have a battery life of around 500-1000 hours plugged in. If you're doing two hour gigs and playing 100 shows a year, that's at least two years' battery life however you cut the cake.

My advice is buy Duracell or Duracell Industrial (the orange ones). When I'm on tech work, I won't fit anything else in my artists' guitars or pedals.

A K&K into a Fishman SoloAmp or similar will need no preamp as acoustic amps generally have very high impedance inputs, being designed for acoustic pickups both passive and active.

The standard of pickups nowadays is such that you can fit anything that is over £80ish and it will work perfectly and sound very good. Whether it suits your taste or playing style is the only thing to worry about, really.

I'd head to a few guitar shops and try some different guitars with different pickup systems and see what suits best.
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 07:11 AM

Well Grunt, ones' choice of pickup system is exactly like ones' choice in guitars.............to each his own. I'm in the passive camp for several reasons that don't seem to resonate with you, and that's just fine. In addition to the lack of a battery, I enjoy the lighter weight of a K&K system (which does have a sound hole volume wheel as an option)........minimal wiring, very small footprint, nearly invisible. And like other SBT pickups, the K&K can be used percussively, picking up taps and thumps on the body that can be used to advantage in styles such as mine. While I use the no-frills Red Eye preamp externally, a passive system in the guitar leaves preamp/EQ/processor selection to the player's whim.........pretty much anything out there works perfectly with a K&K.

It's all good. Follow your joy, grasshopper..................
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 07:12 AM

Thanks jinder

I didnít think Iíd get that long out a PP3 battery in my fishman infinity !
Thatís good to know

Iíve wasted a lot of money over the years because i do a bit of research , decide on something because hey everyone who owns whatever it is says itís magic , then a little down the line I realise that I shouldíve sucked it up and bought the Ďnext model upí

Like I said , Iíd rather have it and not need it that need it and not have it

Iím not arguing with anyone here , can I make that clear , just trying to glean knowledge of all you lovely lovely people
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 08:07 AM

after my latest roundabout with the Anthem rattles, removal then installing the Infinity Matrix in my J200, ...and... after having looked at the K&K...

I'm tempted, I don't mind using s DI of some sort as I travel with a small pedal board. I would think my 7 band EQ would help to dial in what ever the pup wasn't providing..
No? I've come to the conclusion the less inside these babies to get them properly amplified, probably the better...
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 08:26 AM

My mistake on the Infinity-it's 384hrs. Slightly less with the volume and tone control wheels fitted but I never use those in my guitars-plug and play all the way. The Baggs Element is the one with crazy 1200hrs battery life.

If you're not averse to batteries, another excellent choice is the DTAR Wavelength. I had the dual source version in my old AJ and it really shone, absolutely lovely pickup.
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 10:17 AM

View PostJinder, on 03 October 2017 - 08:26 AM, said:

My mistake on the Infinity-it's 384hrs. Slightly less with the volume and tone control wheels fitted but I never use those in my guitars-plug and play all the way. The Baggs Element is the one with crazy 1200hrs battery life.

If you're not averse to batteries, another excellent choice is the DTAR Wavelength. I had the dual source version in my old AJ and it really shone, absolutely lovely pickup.


with the Anthem, battery life was like half of what I am used to with the Fishman Infinity
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 12:23 PM

If I played out, it would be to my adavantage to just use the k&k. One less thing to worry about giving you that oh **** what now!

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 04:08 AM

View Postkidblast, on 03 October 2017 - 10:17 AM, said:

with the Anthem, battery life was like half of what I am used to with the Fishman Infinity


I can imagine it's a bit of a current Hoover, the Anthem. The worst I've ever come across was the onboard Aura my SJ200 came with. Terrible battery life-maybe 20hrs as an optimistic estimate. It crapped out several times at live shows which was embarrassing to say the least.
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Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:16 AM

View PostJinder, on 04 October 2017 - 04:08 AM, said:

It crapped out several times at live shows which was embarrassing to say the least.

......and that, ladies and gentlemen, is my point.......exactly.
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Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:48 AM

Acoustic groups who don't deal with bass and drums do well with just microphones- milk carton kids and their one or two ear trumpets and gillian and dave with their sm-57s.
However that tonedexter gizmo may well be the answer to having a mic sound while using pickups, and it is also the pre-amp. Hmmmm....
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Posted 04 October 2017 - 06:16 PM

View PostBuc McMaster, on 04 October 2017 - 06:16 AM, said:

......and that, ladies and gentlemen, is my point.......exactly.


Yeah the Aura onboard was terrible in every practical respect...all the buttons rattled, it swallowed batteries whole for a pastime, the big heavy preamp unit weighed down and deadened the top response, just too much crap to put in a lovely guitar. My SJ200 sounds so much better without it! The Aura did sound good plugged in, but my outboard Aura sounds better.

Iím meticulous with battery changes, my work as a tech makes it habitual and something I always think about. With the Infinity Iíll change battery every 3 months, which conservatively gives me 100hrs Of plugged in playing a month. The Auraís 20hr battery life wasnít always accurate though...it would sometimes last a fortnight and sometimes crap out after two gigs, always with the same Duracell Industrials in it.

As a result, I ended up taking along my Ď67 J45 to most gigs, with the (you guessed it!) K&K in it...
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Posted 04 October 2017 - 11:08 PM

View PostJinder, on 04 October 2017 - 06:16 PM, said:



Iím meticulous with battery changes, my work as a tech makes it habitual and something I always think about. With the Infinity Iíll change battery every 3 months

As a result, I ended up taking along my Ď67 J45 to most gigs, with the (you guessed it!) K&K in it...



Ah!!
Cool. , you are both buc from the first post and me here simultaneously with two cases

If the k&k is mr reliable here , making bucís point

Then why have you not a passive pickup fitted since?

Help 😐
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 05:40 AM

View Postblindboygrunt, on 04 October 2017 - 11:08 PM, said:

Ah!!
Cool. , you are both buc from the first post and me here simultaneously with two cases

If the k&k is mr reliable here , making bucís point

Then why have you not a passive pickup fitted since?

Help 😐


I like variety in my guitars! In all honesty, the Matrix Infinity through the Aura pedal suits my playing style a little more than the K&K. I also use several effects live and the active pickup fires them off a little better than the passive. Sometimes I play in very cramped quarters for session/Function band stuff and if Iím up close to the cabs or my amp, the Matrix Infinity has better feedback rejection than the K&K. Also, as much as my K&K sounds great in my Ď60s J45, I was advised by luthier Bill Pupplett (Johnny Marr, Noel Gallagher etc, knows his onions) that a K&K would be a little too boomy in an SJ200, so I went the Matrix/Aura route with that guitar and it all went from there.

Zero problems or issues with the K&K in my J45 though, a lovely sounding pickup.
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 05:51 AM

Cool

Thanks jinder
Actual real worthwhile reasons for and against

This is the sort of info Iím after

This was never an argument against passive pickups
Just a quest for knowledge

Yer a gent
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 12:53 PM

feedback rejection, yep the struggle is real with the internal mics. I did have to watch it with the Anthem in my J200 when I was out with it.

I also immediately noticed with the increased output from the infinity, (anthems are a bit anemic output wise) what little compression I tend to use, was a bit much,, they matrix woke that sucker right up. had to dial it back a bit


the biggest win, in replacing the Anthem with the Infinity (another thread) is being done with the rattles and unwanted noises the anthem was adding to the sound. It was enough where recording anything with that guitar was becoming a problem.
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 01:11 PM

LOL....looks as though I'm the only one using a Shure 57& 58 Posted Image
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