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#1 User is offline   TellyzGuitars 

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 04:55 AM

Hi folks. Just introduced myself in the newbie lounge and I have a question regarding the specifications of an Epiphone Texan 93 reissue I've just purchased but still being shipped so haven't got it yet.

It's apparently Gibson made alongside the other 90's centenary made limited edition Gibsons, number 132 of 500 made. It seems to be difficult to find anything on these guitars and most of the history time line info skips the 90's reissue while I haven't found anything on specs and no demo's? It has a pressed back with no bracing (like the 70's Gospel) but with a slope shoulder body based on the pics.

Any details welcome.

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 06:32 AM

I, too, am curious to learn more. I have not heard of an Epiphone Texan 93 reissue, but I do own a 1956 NY made Epiphone F79 that has a maple pressed wood back. Since the original Gibson-made Epiphone Texan was actually a F79 Texan, I'm curious to learn more about what a pressed wood back Gibson made Epiphone Texan was.

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 07:17 AM

Hey Jazz Man Jeff.

Researching the early FT79's like yours I found they have the pressed back and more of a jumbo size and shape. A very brief view as I understand it, the 1st Gibson produced FT79 used the J45 as the base with cosmetic and other changes like scale length. I believe they were 1st called Texan by Gibson. Enter Paul McCartney then they became famous.

It seems this 90's reissue combines both the original pressed back design with the Gibson slope shoulder design. Interesting. I look forward to receiving it.

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 09:09 AM

Very cool.

As FYI, my '56 F79 with a pressed Maple wood back is a great instrument as is my '94 Gospel Reissue with a pressed Mahogany wood back.

Let me know how the Texan 93 Reissue is.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 12:57 PM

Hard to imagine Montana producing a Texan without a fully braced back, as that's what the 1964 Gibson-made version had which McCartney made famous. Not surprisingly, it has become the most desirable and frequently copied Texan.

When Gibson bought out Epiphone & started making Epi labeled instruments in 1958 in Kalamazoo, they did use up the remaining stock of Epi parts on hand, but quickly transitioned to Gibson-designed models. In the ensuing years, it seems like Gibson's reissues of Epi instruments have always focused on Gibson-Kalamazoo designs (many of which were clones of existing Gibson models), rather than earlier Epiphone designs, such as the FT-79s pressed back (very recently though, some of Epi's original acoustic archtops have been recreated).

In the mid 2000s, Gibson did a multiple reissue of McCartney's guitar for his Adopt-A-Minefield fundraiser. Two versions were made in Montana, and the third was made by Terada in Japan (maker of Epi's Elitist line). These have fully braced backs. I happen to have one of the Terada guitars & it is a fine instrument, very effectively capturing the essence of sixties Gibsons.

Would enjoy seeing a pic of yours when it arrives.
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'02 J-45 Rosewood / '02 SG Faded-moon / '06 ES 335 / '09 ES 339
'10 ES 330L / '11 ES 335-P90s / '12 ES 330 VOS / '12 LP Special
'12 J-185 / '13 LG2-AE / '13 Midtown Kalamazoo / '14 J-15
> Epis: '66 FT45n Cortez / '00 AIUSA-John Lee Hooker 1964 Sheraton
'05 McCartney 1964 Texan (Terada-Elitist) / '09 Elitist 1965 Casino
> Martins: '00 OOO-16 / '01 Custom Rosewood D / > Ibanez: '81 M-340
> Guilds: '73 F-30R / '74 F-40 / '76 G-37 / '92 D-6 / '94 JF-30 / '97 Starfire
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 02:39 PM

I have to admit, Montana issuing a pressed wood non-braced back Epiphone Texan in 1993 as a limited run sounds a bit unusual. I checked Gruhn's Guide and The Vintage Guitar Guide and both reference Montana issuing a limited 170 run of Texans from 1993-95, but neither references it as having the presses wood non-braced back like the 1956 NY Epiphone F79 (pre-Texan) that I have.

Hope the original poster posts photos. Then we will know more.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 06:29 PM

In 1993 Gibson did reissue a limited number of Texans, Frontiers and Excellentes. All were built in Bozeman. But the OPs guitar seems to be from a different run.
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Posted 06 October 2017 - 06:43 PM

I just found a Bozeman-made '94 Texan RI that had been for sale on Reverb. The seller says the guitar has a "rounded" back.
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Posted 06 October 2017 - 06:53 PM

View PostTellyzGuitars, on 03 October 2017 - 07:17 AM, said:


Researching the early FT79's like yours I found they have the pressed back and more of a jumbo size and shape. A very brief view as I understand it, the 1st Gibson produced FT79 used the J45 as the base with cosmetic and other changes like scale length. I believe they were 1st called Texan by Gibson. Enter Paul McCartney then they became famous.



The first Texans were pretty much J-50s with an Epiphone French Heel neck attached. The Frontier was Gibsons first attempt at a Martin dread clone and the prototype of the Hummingbird which came out a year or so later.

I also have a 1956 Epi FT-79. I got it about ten years back. I did not want it or like it at first. But the guy who owned the store where it was sitting kept telling me to take it home and live with it a while. I did and I kept bringing it back. Finally after about six months of me bringing it back and forth, the owner dropped the price to where I just could not refuse (about what you would pay for a IB Texan these days) so I figured what the heck. Funny thing is it was one of those guitars that over the years just grew on me. Today you would have a hard time getting it out of my hands.
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 02:32 PM

View Postzombywoof, on 06 October 2017 - 06:43 PM, said:

I just found a Bozeman-made '94 Texan RI that had been for sale on Reverb. The seller says the guitar has a "rounded" back.

Yes indeed, Zomby! I just found two old listing for this instrument. What a strange beast. Looks like Montana borrowed the pickguard that was being utilized at the time on Korean-made Epis. Likewise, the headstock decals are not period-correct & may also have come from Korean stock. And of course we know the pressed & arched back are not period-correct to a Kalamazoo round-shoulder Texan.

But it certainly says "Made in USA."
> Gibsons: '22 "A" Mandolin / '66 ES 125T / '90 Tennessean / '00 J-100 Xtra
'02 J-45 Rosewood / '02 SG Faded-moon / '06 ES 335 / '09 ES 339
'10 ES 330L / '11 ES 335-P90s / '12 ES 330 VOS / '12 LP Special
'12 J-185 / '13 LG2-AE / '13 Midtown Kalamazoo / '14 J-15
> Epis: '66 FT45n Cortez / '00 AIUSA-John Lee Hooker 1964 Sheraton
'05 McCartney 1964 Texan (Terada-Elitist) / '09 Elitist 1965 Casino
> Martins: '00 OOO-16 / '01 Custom Rosewood D / > Ibanez: '81 M-340
> Guilds: '73 F-30R / '74 F-40 / '76 G-37 / '92 D-6 / '94 JF-30 / '97 Starfire
'14 Savoy A-150b / > Breedlove: '10 American Series OO Mandolin
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 03:39 PM

 bobouz, on 07 October 2017 - 02:32 PM, said:

Yes indeed, Zomby! I just found two old listing for this instrument. What a strange beast. Looks like Montana borrowed the pickguard that was being utilized at the time on Korean-made Epis. Likewise, the headstock decals are not period-correct & may also have come from Korean stock. And of course we know the pressed & arched back are not period-correct to a Kalamazoo round-shoulder Texan.

But it certainly says "Made in USA."


I just looked on Reverb and couldn't find it. Can you send a link?

I'd like to see what this looks like. Am wondering if it's really a Gospel being sold as a Texan (my 1994 Gospel has a 40s Gibson script on the headstock to honor the 100th anniversary as some others did) or a Frankenstein pieced together Epiphone guitar or a ?. Or, a counterfeit or an actual custom shop. Your thoughts...

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Posted 07 October 2017 - 04:37 PM

View PostQuestionMark, on 07 October 2017 - 03:39 PM, said:

I just looked on Reverb and couldn't find it. Can you send a link?

I'd like to see what this looks like. Am wondering if it's really a Gospel being sold as a Texan (my 1994 Gospel has a 40s Gibson script on the headstock to honor the 100th anniversary as some others did) or a Frankenstein pieced together Epiphone guitar or a ?. Or, a counterfeit or an actual custom shop. Your thoughts...

QM aka Jazzman Jeff


Gibson kinda went nuts in '94 and their production numbers really went up. I am guessing though this version of the Texan was just a typical Gibson drawing on features found on guitars in a number of past catalogs rather than a spot on reproduction of a particular instrument.

But here ya go Jazzman.

https://reverb.com/i...ory-montana-usa
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 05:02 PM

Jeff -

Just Google "1994 Epiphone Texan" and the old Reverb listings will pop up.

There's a second one, along with the one Zomby posted, with a lot of good pics.

Bob O.
> Gibsons: '22 "A" Mandolin / '66 ES 125T / '90 Tennessean / '00 J-100 Xtra
'02 J-45 Rosewood / '02 SG Faded-moon / '06 ES 335 / '09 ES 339
'10 ES 330L / '11 ES 335-P90s / '12 ES 330 VOS / '12 LP Special
'12 J-185 / '13 LG2-AE / '13 Midtown Kalamazoo / '14 J-15
> Epis: '66 FT45n Cortez / '00 AIUSA-John Lee Hooker 1964 Sheraton
'05 McCartney 1964 Texan (Terada-Elitist) / '09 Elitist 1965 Casino
> Martins: '00 OOO-16 / '01 Custom Rosewood D / > Ibanez: '81 M-340
> Guilds: '73 F-30R / '74 F-40 / '76 G-37 / '92 D-6 / '94 JF-30 / '97 Starfire
'14 Savoy A-150b / > Breedlove: '10 American Series OO Mandolin
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Posted 07 October 2017 - 06:09 PM

Very cool. Looks legit and certainly appears to have an unbraced back like my 56 F79 and 94 Gospel. Pickguard looks like the one on my F79 and in Texans. The logo..looks like other Epi logos I've seen from some period. Very interesting. Looking forward to seeing photos and a review from the original poster when he receives the guitar.

Zombyw and Bob, thanks for participating in this search for what this guitar is. Fun stuff!

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 01:57 AM

View PostQuestionMark, on 07 October 2017 - 06:09 PM, said:

Pickguard looks like the one on my F79 and in Texans. The logo..looks like other Epi logos I've seen from some period.

Yes, I didn't really explain what I meant very well in my earlier post. The pickguard is the traditional Epiphone shape, but the narrow logo on the pickguard is taken from a particular era of Epi's Korean production.

Interesting guitar!
> Gibsons: '22 "A" Mandolin / '66 ES 125T / '90 Tennessean / '00 J-100 Xtra
'02 J-45 Rosewood / '02 SG Faded-moon / '06 ES 335 / '09 ES 339
'10 ES 330L / '11 ES 335-P90s / '12 ES 330 VOS / '12 LP Special
'12 J-185 / '13 LG2-AE / '13 Midtown Kalamazoo / '14 J-15
> Epis: '66 FT45n Cortez / '00 AIUSA-John Lee Hooker 1964 Sheraton
'05 McCartney 1964 Texan (Terada-Elitist) / '09 Elitist 1965 Casino
> Martins: '00 OOO-16 / '01 Custom Rosewood D / > Ibanez: '81 M-340
> Guilds: '73 F-30R / '74 F-40 / '76 G-37 / '92 D-6 / '94 JF-30 / '97 Starfire
'14 Savoy A-150b / > Breedlove: '10 American Series OO Mandolin
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Posted 08 October 2017 - 11:47 PM

View PostQuestionMark, on 07 October 2017 - 03:39 PM, said:

I just looked on Reverb and couldn't find it. Can you send a link?

I'd like to see what this looks like. Am wondering if it's really a Gospel being sold as a Texan (my 1994 Gospel has a 40s Gibson script on the headstock to honor the 100th anniversary as some others did) or a Frankenstein pieced together Epiphone guitar or a ?. Or, a counterfeit or an actual custom shop. Your thoughts...

QM aka Jazzman Jeff



Thanks for the feedback folks. It is proving a difficult guitar to identify. I still haven't received it yet but when I do I'll be able to assess it and post some pics.

Here's the Reverb link... Epi Texan Reverb

I thought of the possible links to the 90's Gospel reissue but this Epi has a slope shoulder compared to the Gospel Square shoulder?

It definitely seems to tie in with the 90's Centenary Gibson Limited reissues with a similar label, a mate has a 94' J35 Limited reissue with a similar Limited Edition label. As mentioned most of the references to Texan reissues seem to skip this one but I did find one reference that mentioned it briefly then moved on with no further info and I did find mention of those other Epi 90's reissues. Seems odd that this Texan gets overlooked? and it is an odd configuration with the pressed back, round shoulder

He's a couple of pics saved from the listing...


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Posted 09 October 2017 - 01:52 AM

The photos you've posted seem to conform exactly to the two old Reverb listings I saw (aside from the fact that it has a sunburst finish). The serial number makes it a '94.

It's definitely a horse of a different color when it comes to Texans, but the potential for it to be a good guitar is most certainly there.

Enjoy it when it arrives!
> Gibsons: '22 "A" Mandolin / '66 ES 125T / '90 Tennessean / '00 J-100 Xtra
'02 J-45 Rosewood / '02 SG Faded-moon / '06 ES 335 / '09 ES 339
'10 ES 330L / '11 ES 335-P90s / '12 ES 330 VOS / '12 LP Special
'12 J-185 / '13 LG2-AE / '13 Midtown Kalamazoo / '14 J-15
> Epis: '66 FT45n Cortez / '00 AIUSA-John Lee Hooker 1964 Sheraton
'05 McCartney 1964 Texan (Terada-Elitist) / '09 Elitist 1965 Casino
> Martins: '00 OOO-16 / '01 Custom Rosewood D / > Ibanez: '81 M-340
> Guilds: '73 F-30R / '74 F-40 / '76 G-37 / '92 D-6 / '94 JF-30 / '97 Starfire
'14 Savoy A-150b / > Breedlove: '10 American Series OO Mandolin
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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:26 AM

Very interesting. The back's shape is indeed very similar to my 94 Gospel Reissue as well as my 56 F79. Except, of course, as you noted the Gospel Reissue has a square shouldered shape. I too wonder why this Texan Reissue has been overlooked and not listed in either Gruhn's book or the Vintage Guitar Guide. I agree with your inference, with it coming out in 1994 it must have been tied somehow to the 100 year anniversary of Gibson, but being an Epiphone it wasn't marked as such but rather a limited edition from Montana, as my 1994 Gospel Reissue's label references the Gibson 100 year anniversary.

Very fascinating guitar and if the arched back on it functions anything like my Gospel Reissue's sounchamber from its arched back it will sound really awesome.

Let us know when you receive it.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 08:03 AM

View PostQuestionMark, on 09 October 2017 - 06:26 AM, said:

Very interesting. The back's shape is indeed very similar to my 94 Gospel Reissue as well as my 56 F79. Except, of course, as you noted the Gospel Reissue has a square shouldered shape. I too wonder why this Texan Reissue has been overlooked and not listed in either Gruhn's book or the Vintage Guitar Guide. I agree with your inference, with it coming out in 1994 it must have been tied somehow to the 100 year anniversary of Gibson, but being an Epiphone it wasn't marked as such but rather a limited edition from Montana, as my 1994 Gospel Reissue's label references the Gibson 100 year anniversary.

Very fascinating guitar and if the arched back on it functions anything like my Gospel Reissue's sounchamber from its arched back it will sound really awesome.

Let us know when you receive it.

QM aka Jazzman Jeff


Personally I think the Gospel was the best thing coming out of Kalamazoo in the 1970s when Gibsons tended to sound like they were stuffed with old t-shirts. That arched back made all the difference in the world.

Hey Jeff, did you see the guy on eBay listing a 1949 FT-79 that he says is ladder braced? I would truly love to get my hands on that but the asking price is more than I am willing to spend to simply satisfy my curiosity.
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Posted 09 October 2017 - 01:34 PM

View PostQuestionMark, on 09 October 2017 - 06:26 AM, said:

I too wonder why this Texan Reissue has been overlooked and not listed in either Gruhn's book or the Vintage Guitar Guide.

Gruhn's 2nd edition (1999) lists a '93-'95 limited run of 170 Texans made in Montana, with solid mahogany back & sides. It also notes the decal peghead logo and vertical oval, and natural or sunburst finishes. No mention of an arched back, and it is not specifically distinguished as an anniversary model.

In Walter Carter's "The Epiphone Guitar Book" (2012), the Texan Anniversary model made in Montana, '93-'95, is listed, but the specs again show it sporting a solid mahogany back & sides - with 170 instruments produced.

Gruhn's book is generally very accurate. There's a lot of good reference information in Carter's book, but I have found a number of errors related to specifications and country of origin - mostly on Pacific Rim production, where a seemingly unending number of factories have been employed since low-labor-cost globe hopping began in the '70s.
> Gibsons: '22 "A" Mandolin / '66 ES 125T / '90 Tennessean / '00 J-100 Xtra
'02 J-45 Rosewood / '02 SG Faded-moon / '06 ES 335 / '09 ES 339
'10 ES 330L / '11 ES 335-P90s / '12 ES 330 VOS / '12 LP Special
'12 J-185 / '13 LG2-AE / '13 Midtown Kalamazoo / '14 J-15
> Epis: '66 FT45n Cortez / '00 AIUSA-John Lee Hooker 1964 Sheraton
'05 McCartney 1964 Texan (Terada-Elitist) / '09 Elitist 1965 Casino
> Martins: '00 OOO-16 / '01 Custom Rosewood D / > Ibanez: '81 M-340
> Guilds: '73 F-30R / '74 F-40 / '76 G-37 / '92 D-6 / '94 JF-30 / '97 Starfire
'14 Savoy A-150b / > Breedlove: '10 American Series OO Mandolin
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