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#21 User is offline   TellyzGuitars 

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:31 PM

View Postbobouz, on 09 October 2017 - 01:34 PM, said:

Gruhn's 2nd edition (1999) lists a '93-'95 limited run of 170 Texans made in Montana, with solid mahogany back & sides. It also notes the decal peghead logo and vertical oval, and natural or sunburst finishes. No mention of an arched back, and it is not specifically distinguished as an anniversary model.

In Walter Carter's "The Epiphone Guitar Book" (2012), the Texan Anniversary model made in Montana, '93-'95, is listed, but the specs again show it sporting a solid mahogany back & sides - with 170 instruments produced.


Sweet. I've been wondering about the specs. As usual there's conflicting/miss information on the net so it's good to hear the back and sides are specified as being solid. This guitar is certainly piquing my interest! I'm looking forward to assessing it on arrival to confirm some specs and bring everyone up to date on it!
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Posted 10 October 2017 - 02:45 AM

CORRECTION! Sorry Telly, but I went back & checked the specs in both books. Only Carter's book lists the back & sides as being solid mahogany. Gruhn's book simply says mahogany back & sides. I had looked it up in Carter's book first, and somehow that got imprinted on my pea-brain when I went to Gruhn's book.

Overall, there are a number of issues here to think about:

> I would consider Gruhn's book to be the more accurate resource. As mentioned, I've found a number of errors in Carter's book, and always take the listed info with one eye open for other possibilities. It still has a lot of good information, but it's best to corroborate that info with another source. Imho, the most important thing to take away from these listings is the confirmation that Montana did build an Epiphone Texan in 1994.

> Neither book mentions an arched back. I would consider that problematic when applying the listed info to your guitar. Typically in Gruhn's book, an arched back is listed as such, as in the many descriptors of Guild acoustics with laminated & arched backs, and Gibsons such as the J-55 from the '70s. This makes me believe that either the listed specs in both books are not 100% accurate, or the model may have initially been speced to have a flat-back.

> Historically on a quality flat-top acoustic, an arched back with no bracing is laminated for strength. The probability is much greater that the back on your instrument is laminated. As with most things in life, what you're looking at typically turns out to be the most obvious for the situation, not the most unusual.

Grain patterns are not always super distinct with mahogany, but when you receive the guitar, look very carefully to see if the inside grain patterns match the outside. You should then be able to conclusively determine the answer.
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Posted 12 October 2017 - 07:58 PM

Well got the guitar late yesterday and busy now for a few days so I hope to get back with some more info...

For now, very pleased with this purchase. As with the Gibson Gospel I have, it's quite unique with a tone and feel all it's own. Not overly strong in Gibson signature tone, it's there but not as in your face, in a similar way as my mates J35 Limited Reissue from 1994, though I personally prefer this Texan. I played his J35 a couple of days ago so it was still fresh in my mind.

Plastic bridge pins and saddle, the nut feels like bone, not sure, the set up is wrong anyway. New Camel bone and new strings indicate lots of room for improvement and it's already pretty darn good. Loves rhythm, not so hot finger picking, a bit better flatpicking. Very soft playing feel. It actually sounds like the Beatles when you play it, don't know how Gibson managed that? Cosmetically it's nicer than it looked in the pics, just the finish checking that looks better in real life than the photos did. No dents, just a few scuffs most of which will polish out. Hardly been played, very little fret wear. Structurally in very good shape, looks like it was stored without string tension on it, glad about that! Build quality is beautiful, is that typical for this era for Gibson?

Has the pressed back with no braces. Over the next few days I'll try to get a better look to see if the back is solid or lam? I'm guessing lam for the added strength it would give.

Well that's all for now folks, more to follow.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:42 AM

Sounds very nice - congrats & enjoy!
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'11 ES 335-P90s / '12 ES 330 VOS / '12 LP Special / '12 J-185
'13 LG2-AE / '13 Midtown Kalamazoo / '14 J-15 / '15 J-50 CS
> Epis: '66 FT45n Cortez / '00 AIUSA-John Lee Hooker 1964 Sheraton
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Posted 20 October 2017 - 04:25 PM

View Postbobouz, on 09 October 2017 - 01:34 PM, said:

Gruhn's 2nd edition (1999) lists a '93-'95 limited run of 170 Texans made in Montana, with solid mahogany back & sides. It also notes the decal peghead logo and vertical oval, and natural or sunburst finishes. No mention of an arched back, and it is not specifically distinguished as an anniversary model.




Those were a different run entirely and a "reissue" of the originals (well as close as Gibson gets with their reissues other than the Legend Series). If I recall there was also an earlier Montana series of Epiphones that were built with MIJ parts and assembled in Bozeman. The '94 Centennial version is obviously a hodge podge of features taken from various past catalogs.
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Posted 30 October 2017 - 09:15 PM

Well folks, I've had time to clean up, set up, polish up and string up this rare passed over Texan and can now post a brief review.

Made in the Gibson Montana plant alongside it seems the centenary model Gibson’s made in the same era, 93-95

Specs on this limited run of 170, solid spruce top, slope shoulder, pressed back (no braces, like the Gibson Gospel) in Solid Mahogany as matched by the grain inside and out, 3 piece neck, multiple bound top/back, nickel plated Grover tuners, mother of pearl parallelogram position markers, decals on the headstock fashioned like the Gibson made Texans, available in natural and sunburst, rosewood fretboard and bridge, stamped Made In USA on the back of the headstock and scalloped bracing. Details are taken from Gruhn’s Guide to Vintage Guitars though this guide doesn’t mention the pressed back, or interestingly, the scalloped bracing, I was a little surprised to see that.

As a player, the neck is a D profile. Since my first assessment it has improved considerably. Finger style seems pretty nice though I'm no finger style player, flat picking is quite good, not a J50 or a Martin but definitely good, rhythm is very good. There is definitely a country flavour to this guitar, a country music player and singer would love this. I often tune down half a step for a nice tone and reach the key singing at church but this guitar doesn't like it too much, the B string has this loud pop to it that significantly reduces at full tune.

Condition is beautiful, not a lot of marks in the finish, frets and fingerboard are good, a lot of finish checking, especially on the back. It cleaned up and polished up beautifully.

Having assessed a Gibson J35 Limited from the same era they share similarities, like the finish checking and the tone that’s a little constrained; because of the thick spruce tops and quite heavy nitro finish maybe, I don't really know, but both have the basis of a nice toned quality guitar but share this sense of being constrained though this Texan is standing up a lot more since the set up and new strings.

This Texan was greatly improved with Camel bone nut (the original looked like composite), quality bone saddle/bridge pins (it came with soft plastic that someone had put in along the way), a setup with nice break angle behind the saddle and about half an inch between the spruce top and the top of the saddle. I tried Ernie Ball Aluminium Bronze strings to bring out a nice tone which seem to work fairly well, I'd like to try Martin Retro next time. As with the J35 mentioned earlier, the signature Gibson bass isn't there. Though there is a nice bass, tone seems a little more weighted towards the treble side though it has a tone quite unique and apart from other guitars, certainly anything else I have which in itself makes it appealing to me.

Structurally in really nice shape, constraints aside, playing and inspecting this guitar I feel reveal a very nice quality instrument.




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Posted 30 October 2017 - 10:11 PM

Sounds great in the video! Best of luck. Didnít realize from your earlier posts it was a sunburst model (unless I missed it). Very cool guitar!

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 01:34 AM

View PostQuestionMark, on 30 October 2017 - 10:11 PM, said:

Sounds great in the video! Best of luck. Didn’t realize from your earlier posts it was a sunburst model (unless I missed it). Very cool guitar!

QM aka Jazzman Jeff


I'm glad it is because I just swapped my only other sunburst with my brother so this gives me a sunburst again, and who doesn't like a Gibson sunburst. The guitar came up a treat too, better than the pics show.

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