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Posted 18 November 2017 - 09:37 AM

Hello! Im hoping someone can help. I bought this Les Paul that was listed as a mint 2017 Less paul Classic American Tobacco Sunburst. It was stripped down, just the body and neck, paid $1099. I knew there was a problem when I went to put on a Historic abr-1 bridge and the posts were to small.It has the bushings for a Nashville bridge.
I believe it may be a 2011 Traditional, a limited edition, or possibly a 2017 Traditional. I think the truss rod cover was changed to a Classic, i guess it could be a Classic or could be a counterfeit.
Im not a dealer, just a guitar player. I moved alot of gear to get this and rest of the parts. Im going to open a case with ebay and could use whatever info I can get. If it is a 2017 Classic Ill just shut and play it.
Thank you, Steve

Serial number: 170018553
Bridge pickup cavity marked: CPC5 17
Neck cavity marked: TO
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 09:38 AM

Having trouble uploading pics
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 10:34 AM

 SMH, on 18 November 2017 - 09:38 AM, said:

Having trouble uploading pics

Hello...

Yes.. Don't bother trying to upload them to the Gibson server you get almost no space at all... Upload the pics to a photo hosting site and use an external link. A lot of us are using https://imgur.com/ once uploaded to there copy the BB Code it gives you directly in to your post. Up to 10 images per post.
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 06:36 PM

 SMH, on 18 November 2017 - 09:37 AM, said:

Hello! Im hoping someone can help. I bought this Les Paul that was listed as a mint 2017 Less paul Classic American Tobacco Sunburst. It was stripped down, just the body and neck, paid $1099. I knew there was a problem when I went to put on a Historic abr-1 bridge and the posts were to small.It has the bushings for a Nashville bridge.
I believe it may be a 2011 Traditional, a limited edition, or possibly a 2017 Traditional. I think the truss rod cover was changed to a Classic, i guess it could be a Classic or could be a counterfeit.
Im not a dealer, just a guitar player. I moved alot of gear to get this and rest of the parts. Im going to open a case with ebay and could use whatever info I can get. If it is a 2017 Classic Ill just shut and play it.
Thank you, Steve

Serial number: 170018553
Bridge pickup cavity marked: CPC5 17
Neck cavity marked: TO


I don't believe that Gibson offered a Les Paul Classic in a tobacco burst finnish in 2017! Both Classic HP and T models were Green Ocean Burst, Heritage Cherry Sunburst and a Gold top. The 2017 Classic (traditional line) had a couple of extra options later in the year and they were a Heritage Cherry Sunburst with a Plus top and the other color was Surf Green. I didn't see any 2017 Gibson Les Paul Classic tobacco Burst. As for the 2017 Gibson les Paul Traditional I do not believe they offered a tobacco burst finnish either. The Traditional line colors were Antique Burst, Heritage Cherry Sunburst and Honey Burst.
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 08:08 PM

Fake les paul? https://imgur.com/gallery/NYXHP
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 08:10 PM

If the first and fifth numbers indicate the year it was made, and numbers 2,3,and 4 indicate the day of the year it was made, then day 700 indicates its clearly a fake.
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 08:13 PM

This is from Gibson's web site.

“A lot of the counterfeiters are using the standard eight-digit series. For the most part, it looks real. But there are some obvious indicators—if it starts with a five, for instance. We don’t start any eight-digit serial numbers with a five. Or it might be an eight-digit serial number that indicates it was built on the 700th day of the year. In a case like that, we’re clearly dealing with a fake guitar.”
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 08:57 PM

I could be wrong..
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Posted 19 November 2017 - 10:17 PM

 SMH, on 18 November 2017 - 09:37 AM, said:

Hello! Im hoping someone can help. I bought this Les Paul that was listed as a mint 2017 Less paul Classic American Tobacco Sunburst. It was stripped down, just the body and neck, paid $1099. I knew there was a problem when I went to put on a Historic abr-1 bridge and the posts were to small.It has the bushings for a Nashville bridge.
I believe it may be a 2011 Traditional, a limited edition, or possibly a 2017 Traditional. I think the truss rod cover was changed to a Classic, i guess it could be a Classic or could be a counterfeit.
Im not a dealer, just a guitar player. I moved alot of gear to get this and rest of the parts. Im going to open a case with ebay and could use whatever info I can get. If it is a 2017 Classic Ill just shut and play it.
Thank you, Steve

Serial number: 170018553
Bridge pickup cavity marked: CPC5 17
Neck cavity marked: TO
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Looks like a 2017 Les Paul Classic T to me. They have the bushings now so they can interchange the NEW ABR and The Nashville at the factory. A Historic ABR will not fit, the post are a different size. Go to Stratosphere guitars and look at them stripped down like you have there and you will see this is a legit Gibson. Probably a special run for Guitar center or AMS which accounts for the color. here is that exact guitar from Stratosphere, a very reputable company.
https://stratosphere...ican-fireburst/

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Posted 19 November 2017 - 10:31 PM

 SMH, on 18 November 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

If the first and fifth numbers indicate the year it was made, and numbers 2,3,and 4 indicate the day of the year it was made, then day 700 indicates its clearly a fake.


on a 2017 the first and second digit is the year. they started that in 2014. Absolutely not a fake. you can see the 3 piece head-stock in the photos. the nylon nut, nibs on the fret ends.this is the ABR bridge you need . https://stratosphere...luminum-nickel/
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 08:39 AM

I can not find anything that would tell me that this is a fake. I do see that the serial numbers can begin with the year. The only thing I can find, after scouring the internet, is a sam ash traditional limited-edition model and a the same model sold by a Canadian company. Sam ash sold these guitars for $1599 and offered a $200 coupon making it $1399. Not a bad price. The finish isnt as nice as all the Classics I had tried out, but over all it is a decent looking guitar. Im hoping Gibson will get back to me to verify exactly what this guitar is. I am still sceptical this is a Classic and more likely a Traditional, but I can be wrong.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 06:55 PM

A traditional is a higher-end guitar, then a classic. according to the pickup cavity code you listed, it is a Classic, but either way, you have a very nice instrument there for the price you paid.


 SMH, on 20 November 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

I can not find anything that would tell me that this is a fake. I do see that the serial numbers can begin with the year. The only thing I can find, after scouring the internet, is a sam ash traditional limited-edition model and a the same model sold by a Canadian company. Sam ash sold these guitars for $1599 and offered a $200 coupon making it $1399. Not a bad price. The finish isnt as nice as all the Classics I had tried out, but over all it is a decent looking guitar. Im hoping Gibson will get back to me to verify exactly what this guitar is. I am still sceptical this is a Classic and more likely a Traditional, but I can be wrong.

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