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#1 User is offline   ThemisSal 

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 04:24 PM

https://www.theguard...ichard-f-thomas


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Posted 18 November 2017 - 04:56 PM

Very interesting, our minds can lead us on interesting journeys when we step back and just follow.
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 05:32 PM

Great stuff, Sal. Thanks for posting the link.
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 05:47 PM


So that’s where our BBG got his forum name; I thought it was a moniker that stuck around after someone, maybe OneWilyFool, had posted a blues name generator that we were having fun with.

A good mini read, the Guardian article, and a good quote that should apply to many: “The studio albums are only there for the copyright.” A fave of mine are some alternate versions of Tangled ___.

At the end of the article: “I don’t need to know the poet. All I need is the poetry.” . . . Also wondering if there’s a parallel with those of us who are into something so much (say, a type of guitar, for example), that we want to dissect it, and need to remember not to get lost in the trivia, and to go and make, maybe record, and share some music.

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Posted 18 November 2017 - 08:12 PM

"you've been with the professors, and they've all liked your looks".... [thumbup]
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 10:21 PM

Myth has it that when hearing Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 50 years ago, Bob Dylan said - "Take it off", , , after 2 minutes.
Must admit I was close to do the same thing with this article. It came across too intellectual to swing, , , and rhyme with the beatnik.

Admit never and still not seeing Dylan as an intellectual. Maybe in an isolated rock-context, but otherwise no.
The artist is much too free for that, , , and too full-blooded rocking by the way. ..
Yes, he has different wires intuitively plugged into some kind of intellectualism, but it's a flux-connection and his work benefits from exactly that. Thank heavens.

Conservative ? First of all Bob is a romantic - and living in the spheres romance is bound to grow certain conservative flowers, , , and revolutionary ones too. Especially if you are a poet. And that's precisely what we have seen.
Look closer inside the universe - it's driven by a classic 'poets view' on the world and on life. Even when topics are hard, harsh, brokenhearted, socially or politically focused.

Genius ? I think he is, ,, or was as a young man. However this is not detected in his re-use of or quoting all the big traditions and ink-sprinklers before him, , , but in the way he did it, , , meaning that the real primal power was his own basic source and how this stuff managed to access all the info around and inside of him - then glue, refine and re-mix, , , finally present it. B.D. was from a very early age a master of the melting-pot - a folk-beat-rock-cook - and the soups he conjured were ingenious. (a lot fell down in it)

No, his influence on modern music, art and culture cannot be overestimated and mustn't be forgotten - so sing the songs and speak to the youngsters in the supermarket about him, I do.
Now back to Brand New Leopard-skin Pill-box Hat. . .
You just can't keep coincidences down. .
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Posted 19 November 2017 - 12:45 AM

View PostE-minor7, on 18 November 2017 - 10:21 PM, said:

Myth has it that when hearing Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 50 years ago, Bob Dylan said - "Take it off", , , after 2 minutes.
Must admit I was close to do the same thing with this article. It came across too intellectual to swing, , , and rhyme with the beatnik.

Admit never and still not seeing Dylan as an intellectual. Maybe in an isolated rock-context, but otherwise no.
The artist is much too free for that, , , and too full-blooded rocking by the way. ..
Yes, he has different wires intuitively plugged into some kind of intellectualism, but it's a flux-connection and his work benefits from exactly that. Thank heavens.

Conservative ? First of all Bob is a romantic - and living in the spheres romance is bound to grow certain conservative flowers, , , and revolutionary ones too. Especially if you are a poet. And that's precisely what we have seen.
Look closer inside the universe - it's driven by a classic 'poets view' on the world and on life. Even when topics are hard, harsh, brokenhearted, socially or politically focused.

Genius ? I think he is, ,, or was as a young man. However this is not detected in his re-use of or quoting all the big traditions and ink-sprinklers before him, , , but in the way he did it, , , meaning that the real primal power was his own basic source and how this stuff managed to access all the info around and inside of him - then glue, refine and re-mix, , , finally present it. B.D. was from a very early age a master of the melting-pot - a folk-beat-rock-cook - and the soup he conjured was ingenious. (a lot fell down in it)

No, his influence on modern music, art and culture cannot be overestimated and mustn't be forgotten - so sing the songs and speak to the youngsters in the supermarket about him, I do.
Now back to Brand New Leopard-skin Pill-box Hat. . .


This is a very astute post by Mr 7.I love the way you write!
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Posted 19 November 2017 - 04:09 AM

When Em weighs in, I read more than once, always. Iím a newcomer to Bob, and so I still find myself in rabbit holes that many of you have traveled through years ago. Yes, Emís post is thought-provoking.
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Posted 19 November 2017 - 06:01 AM

Conservative? Probably. Proud to show his religion, for sure.

I'll say this, he's damn sure a capitalist. Have you seen the prices for his t-shirts and crap at his shows. I paid $ 25.00 for a poster. Then another hundred for a custom frame with the tickets inside.

I never really took him as being a Life Changing Genius, just a guy with a guitar and some insight. An old drunk in a bar will have moments of brilliance from time to time.

Some people simply take this crap too serious.
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Posted 19 November 2017 - 07:03 AM

The art is more important than the artist. The work is more important than the person who does it.
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Posted 19 November 2017 - 09:18 PM

View Postflatbaroque, on 19 November 2017 - 12:45 AM, said:

This is a very astute post by Mr 7.


View PostThemisSal, on 19 November 2017 - 04:09 AM, said:

When Em weighs in, I read more than once, always.

Thx, sirs. . .

View PostMurph, on 19 November 2017 - 06:01 AM, said:


Some people simply take this crap too serious.

Only trying to fuel Sal's post - to me a highly intriguing topic. Surely don't hope it had the opposite effect.
But Murph, , would you say the same about the people who discussed the first skyscrapers on Manhattan. . ?
You just can't keep coincidences down. .
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 05:35 AM

View PostE-minor7, on 19 November 2017 - 09:18 PM, said:

But Murph, , would you say the same about the people who discussed the first skyscrapers on Manhattan. . ?[/size][/font]


I was commenting on the writer of the article.

To ME, Bob is a guy with a guitar, now a piano, and some opinions, and some insight yet still.

A great writer at times, like many other musicians/writers I have known. Because he was slick enough to keep a label, we end up with a huge library of stuff to hear. I just thought the writer (of the article.....) was taking some things for granted that aren't really there.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 06:52 AM

Wait.

Skyscrapers......

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 07:05 AM

I am in Murph's corner on this one...Was never an avid fan but a casual fan. Wrote some great stuff and at a perfect time in our society. I wish I would have seen him at least 20 years earlier than I did, I saw him about 5 years ago and I could barely understand him.
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 07:45 AM

Iím too long in the tooth to be putting anyone on a pedestal.

I tried to read James Joyce Ulysses once ,because , hey itís a classic , and Iíve tried my best to read as much as I can ...didnít get very far into it for me to realise that it wasnít for me

But I donít poo poo the thoughts that itís a genius piece of literature

Donít get me stared on jane Austen


Dylan isnít your average man with a guitar or a piano
He just isnít
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 08:45 AM

Any time people start discussing Dylan, the ideas and perspectives start coming from (and heading toward) a wide variety of origins and destinations. To me, the most striking thing about the phenomenon is that it began with his first album (yeah, we even talked about that one!) and hasn't stopped since then. I consider that unusual, fascinating, and a strong indication that there's more to the man than we'll ever be able to sort and classify - that must be frustrating to people who aren't comfortable without a nice set of labels for most everything!
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 10:16 AM

What really made me think twice was that Dylan seemed to lack general intellectual overview in his autobiography. He did recall, not reflect.
Same whenever he comments on his own status as both a revolutionary of the early 60's and the well-known spokesman of his generation.
1 thing is that he might disagree and for some reason wants to disclaim these roles - another is that he should be able to see why they emerged.

A good deal of the first songs, his whole public persona - also after he plugged in and went beatnik instead of folkie - just incarnated the hip mindset of the times.
So did the way he treated the language and the topics'n'views of the music - his entire artistic angle.
Besides he was among the first that made the contra-contra-turn towards a reunion with the roots, which later - as the reaction to the outgoin' exploration of new frontiers and psychedelia - became a trend here in Europe also.
This journey from the folk-scene through electrification back to basics and even into the self-delivery of Planet Waves and Blood on The Tracks, made him the relevant front-runner he was. And the circle was completed by the re-protests of Hurricane on the 1975 Desire LP. A down-right hit no one saw comin'. Over a period of 14 years his legend was born, developed and carved, not in cement, but in the bark of a still growing tree. Close to every album from then is invaluable.

If there is a deeper Dylan - the father, husband, house-host, the rational thinker, the career-maker, the money-counter, the politician, the jew - a human mind'n'soul standing further behind the serious guy presented once in a while, fx in 60 Minutes, , , well, we haven't seen him yet. Who knows, , , he could exist in there somewhere and though he may live as far away from the tambourine man as possible, this fellow should be welcome out for a chime. The hour is gettin' late, but not too late and it wouldn't spoil the catalog for me.
You just can't keep coincidences down. .
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 07:28 PM

'My thesis is that he has become Odysseus' Arrgh. Even if he's right I find this kind of thing tedious.
ďThere are evidently some principle in [man's] nature, which interests him in the fortune of others and render their happiness necessary to him" Adam Smith

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"Aint no easy job to sit down and play guitar!" Rev. Gary Davis
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Posted 20 November 2017 - 09:29 PM

Seems like these posts are missing the cultural affect of Dylan. Dylan, for starters, redefined how we hear voices of singer-songwriters. Prior to Dylan, the public generally expected a singer or singer-songwriter to have a certain kind of proper voice. When Dylan first appeared in the public scene, his voice was like no other we had heard, as was his phrasing. Over time, we grew used to it and that opened the door for a zillion other singer songwriters to get listened to, as not having a proper singing voice became totally acceptable. True, it ticked off a lot of singers or singer-songwriters who had proper voices...and still does to this day. But, Dylan culturally opened up the door for singers and singer-songwriters with authentic, and not proper voices, to get seriously listened to. Of course, the irony is that now Dylanís early and mid 60s voice sounds pretty darn good compared to his well worn voice of now, and again, takes some listening to, to get used to.

Additionally, Dylan redefined singer-songwriting from its Tin Pan Alley approach, to become a literary and image based approach. This was often misunderstood to be a message approach, but, time has shown it really focuses on conveying literary images although there may or not also be political, life snapshot, Americana, absurdity etc messages in those images. Of course, the irony is Dylan lately had been singing Tin Pan Alley songs out of appreciation for their own art. The art he almost killed off.

The other thing is Dylan has always managed to do things that keep his charisma and mystery thought provoking. That is an art in itself.

Just my two cents to this discussion.

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Posted 21 November 2017 - 04:31 AM

View PostQuestionMark, on 20 November 2017 - 09:29 PM, said:

Seems like these posts are missing the cultural affect of Dylan. Dylan, for starters, redefined how we hear voices of singer-songwriters.

The line above has a good point - and it's still a mystery how Bob could sound like a 200 year old rover when he was barely 20.

Apart from that, I've seen several exhibitions of Dylan's handmade oil-art and believe they only confirmed his way of doin' things.

An intuitive approach goin' for atmosphere, texture and soul - not polluted/supported by intellectualism at all.
Have to say the canvases were up and down, but it was interesting to stand in the same space as him in front of them - gave some sort of insight to the artistic senses behind it all.

The one below from the Brazil Series however, reached out to me. And take a look.
Isn't this young flower-seller a version of B.D. himself had it not been for Blowing in The Wind, A. Grossman, J.H. Hammond and Columbia.
No professor had become of him without luck in music, , , a street-spirit instead, a dealer of romance. .

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P.S. the frame is not a part of the work

You just can't keep coincidences down. .
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