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2009 ES 335 Query COA Help Needed

#1 User is offline   The Hierophant 

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Posted 30 November 2017 - 11:05 AM

Hi! Recently I saw an advert for a red ES 335 dot. The owner says it's from 2009 and he's had it from new, but it does not have a certificate of authenticity. The ad has since expired without selling, so I don't have the pictures to show Gibson, and thus they won't offer me any advice at all.

What I'd like to know is would a 2009 335 normally have a COA? I've had one before and that came with one, but I think that one was a later model. The guitar is still gettable, in spite of the expired advert.

Thanks in advance for your input, guys.
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 01:32 PM

View PostThe Hierophant, on 30 November 2017 - 11:05 AM, said:

Hi! Recently I saw an advert for a red ES 335 dot. The owner says it's from 2009 and he's had it from new, but it does not have a certificate of authenticity. The ad has since expired without selling, so I don't have the pictures to show Gibson, and thus they won't offer me any advice at all.

What I'd like to know is would a 2009 335 normally have a COA? I've had one before and that came with one, but I think that one was a later model. The guitar is still gettable, in spite of the expired advert.

Thanks in advance for your input, guys.


If it is at a good price and you want it is the COA a breaking point if it is a real Gibby?
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Posted 30 November 2017 - 09:50 PM

View PostFZ Fan, on 30 November 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

If it is at a good price and you want it is the COA a breaking point if it is a real Gibby?


It's not really a breaking point. It would affect the price I'm willing to pay though and there's some travel involved, so I'd prefer to know in advance, if you see what I mean.
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Posted 01 December 2017 - 09:21 AM

How much is a COA worth to the value of a guitar?
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Posted 01 December 2017 - 03:50 PM

View PostDrog, on 01 December 2017 - 09:21 AM, said:

How much is a COA worth to the value of a guitar?


On something in this range, generally a couple of hundred.
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Posted 01 December 2017 - 06:13 PM

If you can otherwise guarantee the authenticity of the guitar, the COA is meaningless, and neither adds to nor subtracts from the value of the instrument. You aren't buying a COA: you're buying a guitar.
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Posted 01 December 2017 - 07:31 PM

I have bought several new Gibsons over the years, and none of them had a COA until recently and those were only guitars from the Custom Shop. A 2009 dot 335 probably never had a COA in the first place.
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Posted 04 December 2017 - 07:55 AM

Is it a reissue? Did they ever come with a COA?

I don't think it affects the value but at the moment the value is defined by what you're prepared to pay so if they need a sale maybe you can get $200 off anyway.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 10:19 AM

View Postj45nick, on 01 December 2017 - 06:13 PM, said:

If you can otherwise guarantee the authenticity of the guitar, the COA is meaningless, and neither adds to nor subtracts from the value of the instrument. You aren't buying a COA: you're buying a guitar.


While I agree with you in theory, pragmatically speaking I disagree and here's why. Just like anything else you are buying or selling; the item in question is for all intents and purposes worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. That being said, if someone is willing to a pay a premium for a COA for whatever reason, then it is not meaningless.

Also, as a buyer if I'm choosing from two guitars and between the two all things are equal, I would choose the one with the COA over the one that does not.
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