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Gibson Les Paul Snandard 2018 HP fast-access heel Reliability of fast-access heel

#1 User is offline   Michael Sage 

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 05:33 AM

Hello! Could You help me? I have a question about the heel of the Les Paul Standard 2018 HP. That guitar has the fast-access heel. Is it reduced regular heel? Or is it new construction (deep tenon or another)? What is the reliability of the fast-access heel? Is the regular heel more durable than the fast-access heel? Many thanks in advance :-)

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 12:54 PM

The massive heel of the Les Paul is proof that nobody calculated any stresses back in 1952. Its as over engineered as any Victorian bridge.

They almost certainly still dont do any stress calc, but just look at the 80's style shredder guitars. Narrow necks and almost no heels on 24 fret guitars! My Jackson Soloist has had a perfectly stable neck with over 20 years of hard use. Yet it looks fragile compared to any Les Paul.

I'm confident that HP fast-access heels are absolutely fit for purpose.
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 01:29 PM

View PostMichael Sage, on 05 December 2017 - 05:33 AM, said:

Hello! Could You help me? I have a question about the heel of the Les Paul Standard 2018 HP. That guitar has the fast-access heel. Is it reduced regular heel? Or is it new construction (deep tenon or another)? What is the reliability of the fast-access heel? Is the regular heel more durable than the fast-access heel? Many thanks in advance :-)


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 02:34 PM

View Postmerciful-evans, on 05 December 2017 - 12:54 PM, said:

The massive heel of the Les Paul is proof that nobody calculated any stresses back in 1952. Its as over engineered as any Victorian bridge.

They almost certainly still dont do any stress calc, but just look at the 80's style shredder guitars. Narrow necks and almost no heels on 24 fret guitars! My Jackson Soloist has had a perfectly stable neck with over 20 years of hard use. Yet it looks fragile compared to any Les Paul.

I'm confident that HP fast-access heels are absolutely fit for purpose.


I know it. I used to have a Jackson Soloist, but Jackson is made of alder or poplar and it has maple neck. Maple neck is more durable than mahogany neck. The Les Paul has fragile mahogany neck and it can break on the head (We all know it) and on the heel. Look at the photo. I am afraid of the fast-access heel, it may be more fragile, than regular heel. Or am I a paranoid?

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 09:34 PM

I have a LP, a SG and a Firebird Studio with the fast access heel and they are fine to me. The LP heel makes a nice impact on access for solos.
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:04 AM

Does anyone know about an installation of the neck of the Les Paul Standard HP 2017/2018? Has it the long tenon or the short tenon? Look at the photo. Did anyone dismount a pickup of the neck 2017-2018 Les Paul HP?

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 04:03 AM

Don' t worry, my Gibson SG is very strong [smile]
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 12:14 PM

View PostMichael Sage, on 05 December 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

I know it. I used to have a Jackson Soloist, but Jackson is made of alder or poplar and it has maple neck. Maple neck is more durable than mahogany neck. The Les Paul has fragile mahogany neck and it can break on the head (We all know it) and on the heel. Look at the photo. I am afraid of the fast-access heel, it may be more fragile, than regular heel. Or am I a paranoid?


Certainly we must be careful with mahogany necks, but they are no less susceptible to breakage regardless of how they are joined or the length of the tenon joint attaching them.

I would suppose that a short tenon joint is used on all USA Les Pauls. This has been used for a long time now. The MIJ enthusiasts make much of the fact that MIJ LP copies are often of long tenon construction but no one seems to be able to point to any evidence that this was any more successful in practical terms.
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:31 PM

Hmm. I have the Les Paul Traditional T 2017 and I'm gonna buy the Les Paul Standard 2018 HP in a 7-8 months. Moreover, I have Fender American Standard Telecaster 2011 60th Anniversary and Fender American Elite Stratocaster 2016. They are more strong than all Gibsons. Armour construction. Any Gibson is fragile like a porcelain bowl of the Ming Dynasty. We are must be careful with them.😊
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 07:22 PM

Q: What is a Les Paul SNANDARD????

I am confused.
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Posted 18 December 2017 - 08:07 PM

View PostJeffytune, on 18 December 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

Q: What is a Les Paul SNANDARD????

I am confused.


you haven't seen them yet? they are a new model and they are awesome!!!! they came out at the same time as the true histrionic

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Posted 06 January 2018 - 02:42 AM

View PostJeffytune, on 18 December 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

Q: What is a Les Paul SNANDARD????

I am confused.


I wanted to say STANDARD. Snandard - that's a misprint. [thumbup]
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Posted 06 January 2018 - 03:15 AM

View PostMichael Sage, on 05 December 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

...I am afraid of the fast-access heel, it may be more fragile, than regular heel. Or am I a paranoid?...

Paranoid.

Pip.
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Posted 06 January 2018 - 04:17 AM

View Postpippy, on 06 January 2018 - 03:15 AM, said:

Paranoid.

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