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2015 ES Les Paul - tuning machine question

#1 User is offline   JimB1 

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Posted 13 December 2017 - 07:19 AM

So a few months back I picked up a NOS 2015 Gibson ES Les Paul in Bourbon Burst. http://www.gibson.co...rbon-Burst.aspx
Itís a very nice guitar and I love the feel and sound but the tuners they chose to use are a bit of a pain. They are Kluson style but have a lot of play in them and once you get past the play they are stiff. Itís really tough to get in tune and they seem to slip out of tune more often then my Epiphone Joe Bonamassa Les Paul with standard Grover 14:1 tuners.
I figured Iíd play it a while and see if things got better with use but they donít seem to be. Iím a little disappointed that on a premium guitar they went this route on the tuners but maybe I just got a bad set. Anyway, does anyone know a good, drop-in set of tuners for this guitar? Iíd like to keep the look of the Klusonís if at all possible but just a better functioning set.
Any ideas on this would be appreciated.Thanks-Jim
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#2 User is offline   Twang Gang 

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:09 AM

Maybe you got a bad set, but you could try a couple other things before replacing them. First have you had the nut filed at all? Often the Gibson nuts aren't accurately filed and the string will stick in them and ping when it releases. A luthier that knows what he is doing can solve that problem in 10 minutes. Also a basic thing, that you probably already know, but can cause tuning problems - make sure you always tune the string UP to pitch. If you go a little sharp and then loosen slightly, the string will almost always go out of tune if you stretch it a little.

I agree the Grovers seem a lot smoother and easier to work with, but Klusons can be lived with if you're careful with them.
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#3 User is offline   JimB1 

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 07:26 AM

Thanks for the reply. Iíll take a look at the nut but it seemed ok when I changed the strings. I used a little stewmac guitar grease in the slots too just to make sure but you never know.... -Jim
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#4 User is offline   JimB1 

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 09:42 AM

I ended up picking up a set of TonePros Kluson ďupgradeĒ tuning machines that Stewmac had on clearance. I had a $15 reward from them over the holidays so I ended up spending $15 including shipping on them. For that price, Iíll take a chance Posted Image
http://www.stewmac.c...t_Bushings.html

At the next string change Iíll see about installing them. They looks like a drop in fit so, Iím hoping for no drama Posted ImageHopefully thatíll take care of my issue.-Jim

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#5 User is offline   musicaine 

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 11:46 PM

Hi
I have same issue with new Grover tuning machine on a ES 335, did you change yours ? Did it solve the problem ?
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#6 User is offline   Djhblues 

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 07:29 AM

I have the exact guitar as well. Although I am not having problems with tuning, I am not a fan of the tuners. I have a couple strats and am fond of the vintage tuners, which I find are much easier to string. I found using some Diaddario nut sauce on the bridge and nut really helps the stability. Theres a Youtube video of how to properly string the guitar as well (not implying that you are doing it wrong, but it does offer some tips). Kluson makes a vintage look tuner, with a locking nut I am considering, but at this point, have not pulled the trigger. I've included the link below. By the way, I love this guitar!






http://www.kluson.com/revolution.htmlI
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#7 User is offline   Larsongs 

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Posted 23 December 2018 - 10:23 AM

I have a Bigsby on my Memphis Blacktop ES LesPaul. I don't have any serious Tuning issues. But, I had my Guitar seriously Professionally Set Up.. Including addressing the Nut...
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Posted 03 January 2019 - 06:58 AM

I purchased a ES Les Paul a few Months ago, and it is wonderful, however I felt the same way about the tuners, and in fact my Epiphone ES Pro had Grovers, which feel a lot better techinically than the Kluson fitted by Gibson. I did not want to drill, enlarge or molest my headstock in any way, and have found Kluson Revolution Locking tuners to be a direct fit ( get the correct size however, there are Two, I bought the wrong ones initially.... Anyway once this idiot had ordered the correct size, they took 30 Mnutes to fit into original holes, look fantastic and are a league above the standard tuners in stability and feel !
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#9 User is offline   Djhblues 

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 07:14 AM

Hey Rockdrummerzero- any chance of posting a photo? I have the 2015 ES-Les Paul Bourbon Burst and have considered changing them out as well.
Thanks
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