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1967 Gibson Southern Jumbo 4 pc Top

#21 User is offline   E-minor7 

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:24 AM

View PostSeventies-Fan, on 09 January 2018 - 08:50 AM, said:

Trying this out to see if it works...

works on several levels in this temple.

View PostThemisSal, on 09 January 2018 - 10:06 AM, said:

Em that is a fantastic demo, and its those sounds that keep pulling me back to find the right square. I think I just need more patience. And I need to try before I buy.

Thanx, Sal - Just remember there are miles between a vintage adjustable and a contemporary straight bone-saddle square.

You might recall I have and enjoy both here. But let me whisper you something wild'n'crazy :

My next dream is a plastic bridge ceramic saddled 1962-63 Country Western
You just can't keep coincidences down. .
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:06 AM

I tried the 62 Reissue Country Western 18 months ago.. It was ok, not great... ok.

I want that sound.

Think Sweet Virginia.

It would complete me.
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:08 AM

View PostThemisSal, on 09 January 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

I tried the 62 Reissue Country Western 18 months ago.. It was ok, not great... ok.

I want that sound.

Think Sweet Virginia.

It would complete me.



By the time all those songs were mixed and whatever it would be hard to get a guitar to sound just like that
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:47 AM

View PostThemisSal, on 09 January 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

I tried the 62 Reissue Country Western 18 months ago.. It was ok, not great... ok.

I want that sound.

Think Sweet Virginia.

It would complete me.

Hear you - but it has to be real ceramic not tusq. Though Virginia very well could have been done with a rosewood saddle.


View Postblindboygrunt, on 09 January 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

By the time all those songs were mixed and whatever it would be hard to get a guitar to sound just like that

Remember we had the real blonde Bird up a year ago or something.
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:55 AM

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:08 PM

My SJ is a 1964 and the adj bridge was swapped out sometime prior to 1984 for a regular one. I made a bone saddle for it around 1986 and it's not moved. I have Nickel Bronze mediums on it that are at least a year old. That guitar will never again have 80/20 or PB...never. I won't make that statement about any other guitar, but that one...case closed. I would try Monel though.

There is a strange phenomenon about that guitar. If I were to do a direct comparison to either of my J200s or Martins, it would seem lifeless and weak. And by comparison, that's probably true. However if you sit down with that guitar on the couch and play it solo, you'd swear it was the only guitar on the planet. It has a complex richness that doesn't come out in the standard, predictable way, where we look for volume, scooped mids, sparkle this and sparkle that. The SJ has no sparkle but it will hold your hand and make you thank God you decided to take up guitar. I have louder, brassier girls in the herd but none makes me want to play like that guitar can.
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:40 PM

View PostE-minor7, on 08 January 2018 - 11:00 PM, said:

The Southern Jumbo - as the Country Western - changed in 1962 when it became hip to be square.
You should snap a photo of your old man's SJ and set it up in this thread.
Plastic saddle ?

Next time I go for a visit I'll get a couple of pics. I'm not sure about the saddle, I will check it out. My dad had a couple of pins put in to keep the bridge down. It probably needs a neck reset, but we both have "better" Gibsons around to put the money into fixing it. It still gets played a little bit but what makes it cool is it was my grandfathers.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 03:28 PM

View Postksdaddy, on 09 January 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

My SJ is a 1964 and the adj bridge was swapped out sometime prior to 1984 for a regular one. I made a bone saddle for it around 1986 and it's not moved. I have Nickel Bronze mediums on it that are at least a year old. That guitar will never again have 80/20 or PB...never. I won't make that statement about any other guitar, but that one...case closed. I would try Monel though.

There is a strange phenomenon about that guitar. If I were to do a direct comparison to either of my J200s or Martins, it would seem lifeless and weak. And by comparison, that's probably true. However if you sit down with that guitar on the couch and play it solo, you'd swear it was the only guitar on the planet. It has a complex richness that doesn't come out in the standard, predictable way, where we look for volume, scooped mids, sparkle this and sparkle that. The SJ has no sparkle but it will hold your hand and make you thank God you decided to take up guitar. I have louder, brassier girls in the herd but none makes me want to play like that guitar can.



I was happy to read your description of the "strange phenomenon", pretty much described a feeling I've been having with the 1967 SJ I just acquired. I have a variety of guitars that all sound good and play well, but as you said, when you sit with this one and listen to it, there is a complex richness! I mostly play fingerstyle and so this one with the rosewood bridge is pretty mellow until you dig in. It's very articulate sounding, chords easily and I'm really enjoying it!
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Posted 19 January 2018 - 08:39 PM

Looks entirely possible that 67 was a year for 4 piece tops:



If I may say so this J 45 sounded stellar to my ears!



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Posted 19 January 2018 - 10:08 PM

View PostJuanCarlosVejar, on 19 January 2018 - 08:39 PM, said:

Looks entirely possible that 67 was a year for 4 piece tops:


If I may say so this J 45 sounded stellar to my ears!


Could be they found their way that year, but not as a rule. Let's keep our eyes open regarding those 67 tops.


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And sure, the good looking red 'second' sounds okay - still nothing outstanding if you ask me.
But the first part of the test provides an interesting opportunity to A/B with another slightly older slope.
There one hear how Taylor's also adjustable rosewood saddled third-fret-capoed 1964/65 J-50 really has it.
Not only a lower actioned, but also much looser 'n' soul-full guitar, , , on which he by the way had the bridge fixed - for then never to play it again.

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Posted 19 January 2018 - 11:05 PM

View PostE-minor7, on 19 January 2018 - 10:08 PM, said:

Could be they found their way that year, but not as a rule. Let's keep our eyes open regarding those 67 tops.


1970 ~

And sure, the good looking red 'second' sounds okay - still nothing outstanding if you ask me.
But the first part of the test provides an interesting opportunity to A/B with another slightly older slope.
There one hear how Taylor's also adjustable rosewood saddled third-fret-capoed 1964/65 J-50 really has it.
Not only a lower actioned, but also much looser 'n' soul-full guitar, , , on which he by the way had the bridge fixed - for then never to play it again.


Em7,

I meant as in "a few 4 pc tops may have trickled out of the big K in 67"


James is an a musical icon of my childhood.
I will never be as gifted in picking as he is ... But will always enjoy his sweet voice.



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Posted 19 January 2018 - 11:19 PM

View PostJuanCarlosVejar, on 19 January 2018 - 11:05 PM, said:

Em7,
I meant as in "a few 4 pc tops may have trickled out of the big K in 67"

James is an a musical icon of my childhood.
I will never be as gifted in picking as he is ... But will always enjoy his sweet voice.

Yes, perhaps ^
Okay - can't say the same as he was too sweet and edgeless for the young version of me.
Much of his records still are, but I've been lucky to hear him live a couple of time. Nothing short of magnificent.

But how do you regard my thoughts 'bout his original wooden sound and the difference compared to the red roller ?

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 06:11 PM

View PostJuanCarlosVejar, on 19 January 2018 - 08:39 PM, said:

Looks entirely possible that 67 was a year for 4 piece tops:



If I may say so this J 45 sounded stellar to my ears!



JC



Hi JC,
Hey thanks for sharing that video, I enjoyed it! This is the reason I was excited about joining this forum... I'm late to the game with these old Gibson's but am learning as I go. I've now seen several of these 4 pc tops from 67. I don't know if anyone considers a 4 pc top a bad thing, but I guess perhaps it just makes it a bit more unique...
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1970 - Alvarez 5003 Classical
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Posted 20 January 2018 - 06:24 PM

View PostE-minor7, on 19 January 2018 - 10:08 PM, said:

Could be they found their way that year, but not as a rule. Let's keep our eyes open regarding those 67 tops.


1970 ~

And sure, the good looking red 'second' sounds okay - still nothing outstanding if you ask me.
But the first part of the test provides an interesting opportunity to A/B with another slightly older slope.
There one hear how Taylor's also adjustable rosewood saddled third-fret-capoed 1964/65 J-50 really has it.
Not only a lower actioned, but also much looser 'n' soul-full guitar, , , on which he by the way had the bridge fixed - for then never to play it again.




Hi Em, yes as you described, that guitar sounds great... I've barely had ANY time to spend with mine yet, but I am beginning to like the rosewood saddle, (at least as much as I can discern at this point) compared to other materials. Pretty mellow for fingerstyle, but definitely comes alive with a pick.

James Taylor... so much great music!
1967 - Gibson SJ Southern Jumbo
1974 - Fender F-55-12
1970 - Alvarez 5003 Classical
1995 - Alvarez Yairi YB-1 Baritone
2006 - Yamaha FG750S
1982 - Yamaha FG-365SII
2004 - Yamaha FG-04 LTD
2008 - Takamine GS-330S
2014 - Epiphone Les Paul 1960 Tribute Plus
2005 - Schecter Stiletto Custom 4 Bass

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