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Gibson ES Les Paul Truss Rod?????

#21 User is offline   powerwagonjohn 

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 04:19 PM

A friend who is a guitar tech. showed me a Gibson LP with the truss rod so close to the fingerboard that they ground material off the nut to get the cover to lay flat. So what do you do when you have to adjust the nut and reinstall the cover? He said he has seen this several times in the past year.
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Posted 07 January 2018 - 06:35 PM

Who did you buy the ES LP from? The plug and deplorable truss rod screams fake.
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Posted 07 January 2018 - 06:50 PM

View PostFZ Fan, on 07 January 2018 - 06:35 PM, said:

Who did you buy the ES LP from? The plug and deplorable truss rod screams fake.


Good grief. Trust me, it's legit. I bought it from a well known Gibson dealer brand new. It's a gold top P90 version with wrap around bridge. Not sure how I can convince you.
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Posted 08 January 2018 - 08:45 AM

In my case this is the second one. The first one had had extra holes drilled & poorly filled & finished on the Headstock. This one is the replacement.

I don't know what's going on with Gibson but I do hope they get it fixed. Or replace it with one that has nothing wrong with it.

They've done that in the past with my 50th Anniv 1961 RI Casino. There was something wrong with the Tremotone so they gave me a new Guitar just like it. Only it was/is perfect.

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 09:55 AM

View PostLarsongs, on 08 January 2018 - 08:45 AM, said:

In my case this is the second one. The first one had had extra holes drilled & poorly filled & finished on the Headstock. This one is the replacement.

I don't know what's going on with Gibson but I do hope they get it fixed. Or replace it with one that has nothing wrong with it.

They've done that in the past with my 50th Anniv 1961 RI Casino. There was something wrong with the Tremotone so they gave me a new Guitar just like it. Only it was/is perfect.

Lars


I probably would have sent it back, but it is a limited run and there wasn't another one available. It's a very nice player...almost my number one.
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Posted 08 January 2018 - 11:29 PM

View PostChristopherJ, on 08 January 2018 - 09:55 AM, said:

I probably would have sent it back, but it is a limited run and there wasn't another one available. It's a very nice player...almost my number one.



They told me mine was the last one they too. I asked my Sweetwater Rep if he'd double check with Gibson & he did. He called me the next day & said Gibson was sending them another one. It was supposed to be the last of the Special Run Blacktops....

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:38 AM

View PostLarsongs, on 08 January 2018 - 11:29 PM, said:

They told me mine was the last one they too. I asked my Sweetwater Rep if he'd double check with Gibson & he did. He called me the next day & said Gibson was sending them another one. It was supposed to be the last of the Special Run Blacktops....


I guess it wasn't. I would have sent that back ASAP, but it's not mine.Your the one who has to look at it and play and deal with it.

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 03:40 AM

My question is, How can the truss rod be off centre if it's machine cut? All of the bad press that Gibson have received is obviously true, I see some shocking photos of new guitars on Facebook of guitars that should have never left the factory. Why doesn't Gibson aknowledge the problems? They must be losing sales by the truck load. I can honestly say that foreign made guitars are getting better reviews than USA Gibsons and even some custom shop. I really can't understand why they are bringing new models out when thee QC is so bad. The management must be terrible. All you can hope is that China doesn't buy them. But I fear they will.
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Posted 14 January 2018 - 01:28 PM

View PostLarryUK, on 14 January 2018 - 03:40 AM, said:

My question is, How can the truss rod be off centre if it's machine cut? All of the bad press that Gibson have received is obviously true, I see some shocking photos of new guitars on Facebook of guitars that should have never left the factory. Why doesn't Gibson aknowledge the problems? They must be losing sales by the truck load. I can honestly say that foreign made guitars are getting better reviews than USA Gibsons and even some custom shop. I really can't understand why they are bringing new models out when thee QC is so bad. The management must be terrible. All you can hope is that China doesn't buy them. But I fear they will.


Weird things can happen during production. It's a given in manufacturing. That is what QC is for. At the very least the final set up at the factory should include a check that the truss rod tool can actually be placed on the truss rod nut whether the neck needs adjustment or not. My sample of two ES-Les Paul's would have both failed.

I just bought a Japanese made Gretsch that I would put up against anything out of the Gibson Custom Shop. Fit and finish (lacquer) are superb. The ebony fret board is fantastic. All for the cost of an average USA line guitar.
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:34 AM

View PostChristopherJ, on 14 January 2018 - 01:28 PM, said:

Weird things can happen during production. It's a given in manufacturing. That is what QC is for. At the very least the final set up at the factory should include a check that the truss rod tool can actually be placed on the truss rod nut whether the neck needs adjustment or not. My sample of two ES-Les Paul's would have both failed.

I just bought a Japanese made Gretsch that I would put up against anything out of the Gibson Custom Shop. Fit and finish (lacquer) are superb. The ebony fret board is fantastic. All for the cost of an average USA line guitar.


I agree. The recent Gretsch G6120-55, or the G6122-62 Vintage Select Chet Atkins (George Harrison), G6120-EC (Eddie Cochran) & G6128T Duo Jets I've played recently are second to none. Absolutely Works Of Art that play & sound amazing! I don't think you can buy a better Crafted Guitar today. One of them will be my next purchase.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 06:56 AM

I must have been lucky. Mine is perfect and I am a really fussy so and so, especially when dropping 2.5K....
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:29 PM

View PostLarsongs, on 15 January 2018 - 12:34 AM, said:

I agree. The recent Gretsch G6120-55, or the G6122-62 Vintage Select Chet Atkins (George Harrison), G6120-EC (Eddie Cochran) & G6128T Duo Jets I've played recently are second to none. Absolutely Works Of Art that play & sound amazing! I don't think you can buy a better Crafted Guitar today. One of them will be my next purchase.


I really want one of those Malcolm dual cutaway jobs, but they are pricey. And I am not sure if they are even in production.
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 11:34 PM

View PostFZ Fan, on 15 January 2018 - 01:29 PM, said:

I really want one of those Malcolm dual cutaway jobs, but they are pricey. And I am not sure if they are even in production.


I was told by a couple Gretsch Buddies that the high end Pro Series built at the Tereada Factory Japan are almost all handcrafted & aren't typical Assembly line Production Guitars like Fender & Gibson. Far less are built & built to exacting Standards.

As evidenced by all the recent ones I've seen & played.
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 11:16 AM

In 2016 I bought a LP-ES at a local Sam Ash and after getting it home and setting it up found the frets over the 12th needed leveling. I brought it back.

In late 2017 I got in on the CME deals and got an archtop LP-ES in lemon burst as well as a flat top LP-ES special II and both were flawless. For sure Gibson has a long way to go to get serious about quality, but that's only going to happen after sales stop.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 04:38 PM

View Postgnappi, on 16 January 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

In 2016 I bought a LP-ES at a local Sam Ash and after getting it home and setting it up found the frets over the 12th needed leveling. I brought it back.

In late 2017 I got in on the CME deals and got an archtop LP-ES in lemon burst as well as a flat top LP-ES special II and both were flawless. For sure Gibson has a long way to go to get serious about quality, but that's only going to happen after sales stop.



I agree. Nothing overcomes Volume..Sales Volume. that said, Gibson not going to NAMM makes you wonder?? Going to an Electronics Trade Show, or some such Branding thing, instead??? I remember thru the 80's Gibson QC issues were so bad everyone was buying Epiphones because they were superior built Guitars..We may be almost back to that again.. Then Gibson Sales slowed down & Gibson reduced their Volume & upped the QC & made some fabulous Guitars in the '90's..
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Posted 17 January 2018 - 02:43 PM

View PostChristopherJ, on 06 January 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

Here is the truss rod nut on on of my ES Les Paul's named "Plug". You can see the puddle of lacquer on the bottom of the cutout that was preventing the tool from going onto the nut. Also notice it is drilled off-center.



She is named Plug because of this:

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Looks like what is used for a side fret marker.

Plug is on the left:




I got the same hole on one of my Standard Les Paul's 10th fret; but Gibson did not plug it.
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Posted 19 January 2018 - 09:05 AM

View Postkaicho8888, on 17 January 2018 - 02:43 PM, said:

I got the same hole on one of my Standard Les Paul's 10th fret; but Gibson did not plug it.


Unbelievable on a $2k+ Guitar. Unacceptable if it were me.
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Posted 19 January 2018 - 09:08 AM

View PostLarsongs, on 19 January 2018 - 09:05 AM, said:

Unbelievable on a $2k+ Guitar. Unacceptable if it were me.


You get what you pay for.
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Posted 19 January 2018 - 11:04 AM

View PostFZ Fan, on 19 January 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

You get what you pay for.


What? I paid well over. $2,000.00 for mine & it comes with a F'd up Truss Rod? Is that what I paid for? Heck NO! For this kind of money it should flawless. So should the above Poster's Guitar.

I could see it on a $399 Epiphone. But, you don't. They are usually flawless & they're inexpensive.

There is no excuse for poor QC at Gibson USA. NONE, ZERO, ZILCH!

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Posted 20 January 2018 - 07:37 AM

View PostLarsongs, on 19 January 2018 - 11:04 AM, said:

What? I paid well over. $2,000.00 for mine & it comes with a F'd up Truss Rod? Is that what I paid for? Heck NO! For this kind of money it should flawless. So should the above Poster's Guitar.

I could see it on a $399 Epiphone. But, you don't. They are usually flawless & they're inexpensive.

There is no excuse for poor QC at Gibson USA. NONE, ZERO, ZILCH!

What are you smokin' Bro'?

Not smoking anything and I'm not trying to be a d-ick. I admit that guitar never should have left the factory. Gibson was once the premier guitar company now they are concerned with selling DJ equipment. It is sad. Remember only a Gibson is good enough.

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