Musicians Still Getting No Respect from Airlines Kindle-ing
#1
Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:58 AM
So - yeah, you take risks when you fly.
I guess statistically - a certain number of baggage handlers are always 'in training'. And another percentage are WUI (working under the influence). And then, there are those who were forced to take piano lessons by their parents and were hurt and angered when it was revealed they had less talent than ... a rhinoceros.
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#2
Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:05 AM
Personally, I also blame her. If it was that precious, she should have bought it a seat, or bought a backup for travel. I bought a J-15 so my J-45 could stay home when it was 5 degrees, or I had a weird situation where I couldn't guard it every SECOND.
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#3
Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:11 AM
Murph, on 10 January 2018 - 07:05 AM, said:
Personally, I also blame her. If it was that precious, she should have bought it a seat, or bought a backup for travel. I bought a J-15 so my J-45 could stay home when it was 5 degrees, or I had a weird situation where I couldn't guard it every SECOND.
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Yes I agree with this
Still sucks though
But yeah. If it was me it wasn’t going in the hold
#4
Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:02 AM
I don't understand why she didn't have a much stronger case for such an expensive instrument, regardless if it was going on a plane or not. They'd complain about the vault I was carrying around my $200,000 Les Paul, if I had one. They'd probably have to get a forklift.
#6
Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:51 AM
rct
*"...has anyone besides yourself handled your bag today Mr. T?" True question, early 2002 or so after the buildings fell down. I almost pooped from laughing.
#7
Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:22 AM
We’re blaming her for what happened. Interesting.
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#8
Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:26 AM
AnneS, on 10 January 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:
We’re blaming her for what happened. Interesting.
Well , yeah. It’s her violin !
#9
Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:33 AM
#10
Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:39 AM
I'm assuming, since she partially dis-assembled it and apparently travels a lot with her career, she would have purchased a seat if she could have - but there were no seats available.
The ultimate 'victim' is obviously the viola. But she is a co-victim when it comes to lawsuits. I doubt she put the 17th century instrument in the baggage hold, hoping to make money on an insurance settlement. Keep half the proceeds and buy an Epiphone Viola !?
Insurance companies tend to low-ball EVERYONE on claim settlements - even musicians !
May not even actually belonged to her - often instruments like this are owned by a billionaire collector who loans it out for the prestige factor. And, I assume, to increase it's value.
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#11
Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:44 AM
#12
Posted 10 January 2018 - 11:05 AM
rct, on 10 January 2018 - 09:51 AM, said:
rct
*"...has anyone besides yourself handled your bag today Mr. T?" True question, early 2002 or so after the buildings fell down. I almost pooped from laughing.
My doctor and wife handle my bag.
I think if I had a 200k guitar. I would use it to record, but for performances and travel maybe I would get a good sounding affordable one.
#13
Posted 10 January 2018 - 01:12 PM
FZ Fan, on 10 January 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:
I think if I had a 200k guitar. I would use it to record, but for performances and travel maybe I would get a good sounding affordable one.
If she works for an orchestra arrangements can be made for similar instrument in the city she is performing. None of this is hard, the airlines didn't just begin smashing stuff since the internet was invented. This was fought about and over for a long time, Roy Buchannon was big on this in the early 70's. There have been methods in place for lowly guitar players, there have always been ways to not travel a Strad through the baggage mis-handlers.
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#14
Posted 10 January 2018 - 02:47 PM
#15
Posted 10 January 2018 - 02:50 PM
j45nick, on 10 January 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:
I had the same thought, until I clicked through to the article. This one is actually just smaller than a cello—there are pics on the link.
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#16
Posted 10 January 2018 - 02:55 PM
Her GoFundMe page will prolly net her halfa mil from the other morons on social media.
rct
#17
Posted 10 January 2018 - 03:47 PM
People have no personal responsibility anymore. "Somebody should have saved me from myself!"
#18
Posted 10 January 2018 - 04:04 PM
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Now, I have Hiscox cases for my most precious and irreplaceable guitars to live in, at home, with Humidipaks, plus guitars of similar sizes can share the use of one, if leaving the house. Only trouble is, now and again I have to take the guitars out of the Hiscox to......play them.....
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That said, the Viola case in the article is, well, asking for damage to the instrument, unless she keeps it in a humidity controlled room with no visitors, children or pets! Exactly the same damage that has been done to the viola could be done by the most common guitar damage and repair, according to my luthier - sitting on the instrument and case by mistake.....on the extra airline seat she should have purchased.
The other point to consider - considered long, long, long and hard - would I take my Lowden S35 in its Hiscox stuffed with t-shirts, or would I take a ‘beater’? Or something in between high end and beater, but nicer sounding and playing than the ‘beater’?
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This post has been edited by BluesKing777: 10 January 2018 - 04:39 PM
#19
Posted 10 January 2018 - 05:24 PM
rct said:
The article clearly states that the airline clearly stated that they offered her a seat, because that is the best way to handle that item, that she declined.
Her GoFundMe page will prolly net her halfa mil from the other morons on social media.
rct
Yeah. This is clearly a case of "she said / he said ". That's why we have lawyers, judges and juries. I would guess, in a case like this, the airline will stonewall but finally settle. Juries tend to be biased against "business" , especially certain industries.And if the musician is hot, the airlines might as well forget stonewalling and settle up quick. Ironically, the airlines insurance company's lawyers don't actually have a dog in this fight. They're probably not employees of the insurance company, are on retainer and know the insurance company will just increase the airlines premiums if they lose. So, yeah. There is no personal responsibility anymore.
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#20
Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:34 PM
AnneS, on 10 January 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:
I didn't realize it was a viola da gamba. That is more like a bass guitar, and won't necessarily fit in the overhead. You would never check an instrument like that, any more than you would fly with a 1937 D-45.
Let's face it: airline baggage handlers couldn't care less. They're handling thousands of piece of luggage daily, and anyone who thinks a "fragile" label on something means anything are kidding themselves.
Delta baggage handlers did damage to my old J-45 back in 1968 that set off a strange chain of events over time. At least it was only a late 1940's J-45. There are plenty of those around, and if it were not for the sentimental attachment to a guitar I've owned for more than 50 years, I would have replaced it with another one a long time ago.