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Is this normal for a J45? Or is my guitar blemished/fake?

#1 User is offline   Forestarius 

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 12:43 PM

So I just bought a J-45. My dream guitar, and an expensive luxury here in Brazil due to the crazy import taxes.

I already own a legit gibby(J-35 from 2015) and know what to look for. Everything seems to be in order and I am almost sure the guitar is authentic and neat. But there is one thing that really caught my eye: The serial number and "made in the USA" markings on the back of the headstock are barely legible and nigh invisible. It is as if they were not stamped strongly enough in the wood or as if it was oversprayed/overfinished. Here is a picture that shows it well enough:


https://ibb.co/mYx6j6


Is this normal for J45s with b/s and neck with a darker finish? Can this be considered a guitar with a factory finishing flaw? Is this a sign that the headstock was repaired/refinished? Or worst yet, is this a good fake only spotted by this little detail?

I mean, most fakes I have seem were easy to spot and this guitar looks, plays and sounds like a gibson(better than my beloved 2015 j35 out of the box actually), but you never know for sure this day and age and this little detail really did seem odd to me.

The guitar was bought in Germany through amazon.de(the actual seller was a french store named Scotto).
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 01:26 PM

I've seen plenty of legit Gibsons just like that. I have a few myself. Never have I seen a copy look like that. Looks legit.

The numbers were probably stamped deep enough, it just has a ton of lacquer over the top.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 01:49 PM

View PostChristopherJ, on 10 January 2018 - 01:26 PM, said:

I've seen plenty of legit Gibsons just like that. I have a few myself. Never have I seen a copy look like that. Looks legit.

The numbers were probably stamped deep enough, it just has a ton of lacquer over the top.


I dont see anything suspiscous.
The seller himself is a real shop that is found in Marseille, official website here :
https://www.scottomu...com/guitares_25

You find the same adress on Amazon.fr :

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Informations vendeur détaillées
Nom commercial:Scotto Musique
Type d'activité:SARL
Numéro de registre de commerce:314928896 RCS Marseille
Capital social:38112,25
Adresse commerciale:
178 rue de rome
Marseille
13006
FR


You can ask them about it here :

+33 (0)4 91 37 58 65
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 02:16 PM

I had a j29 that had a similar situation
Nothing to worry about
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 04:55 PM

As for the finish "oversprayed" : same kind of back herebelow, enlarge the pic of the headstock back. 2018 engraving seems same :
https://www.sweetwat...etail/RS4SVSNP8
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 05:28 PM

My J45 has the exact same faint imprinted stamps on the back of the headstock. I'd rather they not pound too hard back there, if you know what I mean.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 12:15 PM

I have a custom shop 2015 L-00 and it is the same. Your guitar is one of many Gibson sends out of the factory like that. If the number stamped on the back didn't match the number on the label inside the guitar, I would be concerned.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 01:04 PM

I am still trying to figure out what is going on with all posts questioning whether a new Gibson is the real deal or not. It is like people are expecting to get ripped off.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 09:19 AM

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 09:44 AM

View Postzombywoof, on 11 January 2018 - 01:04 PM, said:

I am still trying to figure out what is going on with all posts questioning whether a new Gibson is the real deal or not. It is like people are expecting to get ripped off.

This post has been edited by countrybluespicker: 12 January 2018 - 10:00 AM

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 08:17 AM

Thanks a lot for the clarifications folks.

Good to know that is normal out of the box for guitars with dark finish.
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