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#41 User is offline   Jinder 

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 09:07 AM

 ThemisSal, on 12 January 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

This is the nut of the J45 in question:

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This is the nut on my J50:



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This is the nut on my D18:



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Looking closely, I dont think there is a lot of room to file the J45 nut slots (I am concerned with the low A, D, and G). The strings kind of sit on top, where they sit in nice grooves on the other two guitars. Maybe Russo's used a short nut.Of course if I brought it down they would do whatever I wanted to address it. Or at least I think they would. The action IS low as I like it... its just the occasionally resonant sound I don't like, nor the string popping out if played hard.



As an aside I dont like seeing the lacquer seem to delaminate where it meets the nut on my J50, but thats another story, and one I am not sure is worth fixing.


I personally wouldnít be happy with that nut, Sal. Looks like any serious bending would pop a string out of there. Iím a bit picky about but depth as I do quite a bit of looping and lead playing live, so if I canít bend it, i need someone to mend it. Itís all down to personal preference of course though! Iím very tempted to buy nut files myself and start making my own nuts.

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#42 User is online   blindboygrunt 

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 09:14 AM

 Jinder, on 13 January 2018 - 09:07 AM, said:

I personally wouldnít be happy with that nut, Sal. Looks like any serious bending would pop a string out of there. Iím a bit picky about but depth as I do quite a bit of looping and lead playing live, so if I canít bend it, i need someone to mend it. Itís all down to personal preference of course though! Iím very tempted to buy nut files myself and start making my own nuts.

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I for one , and Iím sure Iím not alone , would like to see pictures of your nuts if you decide to have a go
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 10:20 AM

View Postj45nick, on 13 January 2018 - 08:41 AM, said:

When you have a good working relationship with a shop, you probably don't want to ask them to do anything for free. If they offer to do it, that's fine, but if you ever expect to go back to the shop in the future, I wouldn't burn bridges over a job like this.


Huh? They failed to provide what was paid for (assuming Sal paid for the nut replacement). That is an improper job and it needs to be fixed by the shop. Why would you pay them again?

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 10:22 AM

View Postblindboygrunt, on 13 January 2018 - 08:42 AM, said:

Thatís my thoughts.
Sals already let us know that he has a good relationship with the shop and has said theyíd fix it free
Angry customer approach rarely does any good.
You donít want them spitting on your steak when ya send it back


Who said anything angry? They failed to provide the service paid for and should make it right without additional charge. He should take it back rather than trying to fix their mistake.
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 10:56 AM

 blindboygrunt, on 13 January 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

I for one , and Iím sure Iím not alone , would like to see pictures of your nuts if you decide to have a go


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 11:50 AM

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 04:08 PM

Thanks for weighing in gents. The shop is aces. Scott would swap it out in a heartbeat if I want. I have a great relationship there, and I think they also think of me as a good client moneywise, and hopefully they think I'm a nice guy too.
When those files come I may try to gently de-ping and groove two of the slots.
RB, don't mind that I have tinkered with your guitar... it sounds fantastic, and weirdly has a thinner neck than my J50. It's like an electric neck. This is a gigantic plus for my long gigs. And the 45 with its look, playability, and trouble free pickup will serve me well.
Or I could swap the j50 and j45 for a Bird...
(Kidding! I think...)
Actually my J50 is just me. And my D18 is also going nowhere... CFM signed it too. :)
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 04:01 PM

The Stew Mac files came. I used them to ever so slightly adjust and smoothen the A, D, and G slots.

Fantastic. Ping gone. Strings seated. and the DR Sunbeams make me believe I can play anything in the world on this guitar right now.

Big endorsement of those files. I don't know if i ever will use them again, but they are nice to have. I suppose they can always be sold as well.
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 05:48 PM

Glad it worked out, Sal. Good on yaí

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 05:49 PM

I use old string pieces about 5" long but use automotive valve grinding compound to be more effective. Use one size smaller at first...so G for D. Finish gently with right size string and less compound.
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 06:18 PM

View PostThemisSal, on 15 January 2018 - 04:01 PM, said:


Big endorsement of those files. I don't know if i ever will use them again, but they are nice to have. I suppose they can always be sold as well.



Keep them. You will use them again, now that you have them.
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 11:49 PM

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Is there anything you canít do ?

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 05:43 AM

View PostThemisSal, on 15 January 2018 - 04:01 PM, said:

The Stew Mac files came. I used them to ever so slightly adjust and smoothen the A, D, and G slots.

Fantastic. Ping gone. Strings seated. and the DR Sunbeams make me believe I can play anything in the world on this guitar right now.

Big endorsement of those files. I don't know if i ever will use them again, but they are nice to have. I suppose they can always be sold as well.


Pleased you got the files Sal. Doing it yourself somehow seems to ensure it's just as you want it. I knew a guy who cut his own hair and pulled his own teeth. Kiddin' about the teeth!
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 09:40 AM

View PostChristopherJ, on 13 January 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

Sal Said: "I recently had my guys (Russo's) make a new nut for my J45, and do a setup where the action is just how I like it."

Now seeing the picture, take it back and have them cut you a new nut. The one they have installed is too low, that is why the slots are where they are. You cut them any lower, and your action will change. IMO, they should to it for free as what they gave you is not correct.



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you paid for something that was not done correct!
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 04:16 PM

You may have a new appreciation of this....

I was reading an article in Guitarist UK magazine about luthier/head designer at Takamine, Makoto Terasaki...and he mentioned that his early work at Takamine was just as the Eagles music hit the bins and for 4 years, all he did was file the nut slots for Takamine twelve string guitars!


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