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#21 User is offline   Dave F 

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 01:14 PM

View Postscriv58, on 11 January 2018 - 11:42 AM, said:

How about using an old string (in your case A and G) and carefully working it back and forth in the slot?

Please donít start a G String conversation. It will go south very quickly.
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Posted 11 January 2018 - 01:56 PM

Nice nut tarr
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#23 User is offline   aliasphobias 

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 04:42 PM

Super glue a scrap piece of the appropriate string to a popsicle stick bingo nut file. It doesn't work as well with the unwound strings. 😀
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#24 User is offline   Mickthemiller 

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 04:42 PM

I bought a set of StewMac nut files a few months ago. I have done my own setups for years and have used all manner of tools for nuts. A set of small files costing a few quid, kitchen knives etc. After many years I bit the bullet and bought the decent files. Well worth it. Sal, buy some and have a go.

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 05:37 PM

View PostMickthemiller, on 11 January 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

Sal, buy some and have a go.


He's got the money.....

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 08:56 PM

Murph said:

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He's got the money.....

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:02 PM

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There are plenty of nut slot issues out there. Many are overlooked, but strings coming out of slots is pretty obvious. In that case the question would be is there enough room to deepen the slot without causing buzz. Hopefully youíll have the room you need.

BTW I bought a set of nut files from StewMac years ago. For me it was a good economic buy - because of the number of guitars I deal with. With the cost issues you mentioned seems like a reasonable purchase for you.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 03:15 PM

Sal, a good way to check if there is room to cut a slot deeper is to press down the string at full tension right between the second and third fret. While doing so, tap the string right next to (but not straight above) the first fret. If there is a clicking sound, you have clearance, but if you get a thud sound the slot is too low. This is a good trick to use, if the string is so close that you can't see if there is a gap or not.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 04:06 PM

This is the nut of the J45 in question:

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This is the nut on my J50:



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This is the nut on my D18:



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Looking closely, I dont think there is a lot of room to file the J45 nut slots (I am concerned with the low A, D, and G). The strings kind of sit on top, where they sit in nice grooves on the other two guitars. Maybe Russo's used a short nut.Of course if I brought it down they would do whatever I wanted to address it. Or at least I think they would. The action IS low as I like it... its just the occasionally resonant sound I don't like, nor the string popping out if played hard.



As an aside I dont like seeing the lacquer seem to delaminate where it meets the nut on my J50, but thats another story, and one I am not sure is worth fixing.

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 04:45 PM

It looks from here that you may need another (higher) nut, Sal.

That one looks too low to slot. You won't be able to do your your best BB King 'bend it over the neck' thing.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 05:18 PM

If the strings are the height you like at the first fret, you can just put some back draft on the slots and get that look
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 06:28 PM

View PostDave F, on 12 January 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

If the strings are the height you like at the first fret, you can just put some back draft on the slots and get that look


Like Dave says. Just ramp the back of the slots slightly, leaving the string height where it is. This will let the string bear at a single point on the nut, rather than bearing on the full thickness of the nut. The ramps will keep the strings in place. Your other nuts look like they are done this way.

You can do this easily with your nice new files.
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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:19 PM

A very well known and highly respected shop in my area has been known to shim a nut to raise it. From that point you can deepen the slots to achieve a better seat for the string.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:56 AM

I don't think I would like my nut shimed.
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 07:09 AM

View PostMurph, on 13 January 2018 - 05:56 AM, said:

I don't think I would like my nut shimed.


Donít knock it til ya try it
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 07:12 AM

I hesitated to write my post, then thought....nah, itíll be ok. Well.... 😉. Love this place.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 08:20 AM

Sal Said: "I recently had my guys (Russo's) make a new nut for my J45, and do a setup where the action is just how I like it."

Now seeing the picture, take it back and have them cut you a new nut. The one they have installed is too low, that is why the slots are where they are. You cut them any lower, and your action will change. IMO, they should to it for free as what they gave you is not correct.
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 08:41 AM

View PostChristopherJ, on 13 January 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

Now seeing the picture, take it back and have them cut you a new nut. The one they have installed is too low, that is why the slots are where they are. You cut them any lower, and your action will change. IMO, they should to it for free as what they gave you is not correct.



When you have a good working relationship with a shop, you probably don't want to ask them to do anything for free. If they offer to do it, that's fine, but if you ever expect to go back to the shop in the future, I wouldn't burn bridges over a job like this.
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 08:42 AM

View Postj45nick, on 13 January 2018 - 08:41 AM, said:

When you have a good working relationship with a shop, you probably don't want to ask them to do anything for free. If they offer to do it, that's fine, but if you ever expect to go back to the shop in the future, I wouldn't burn bridges over a job like this.


Thatís my thoughts.
Sals already let us know that he has a good relationship with the shop and has said theyíd fix it free
Angry customer approach rarely does any good.
You donít want them spitting on your steak when ya send it back

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 08:49 AM

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One half to three quarters of string diameter...........perfect. That nut does indeed need either adjusting or replacement, Sal. It's hard to tell in the photo if there's enough room to slot the nut just a little deeper and maintain sufficient string height over the first fret. In either case, a guitar with strings that pop out of the nut might as well be a broom........get it fixed.
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