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#1 User is offline   Feuervogel 

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 11:10 AM

Hi everybody! I purchased a new Firebird Studio T and the toggle switch doesn't work properly. In the center position only the neck pickup is active. Bridge and neck pickup work individually but not together. My question now is should I attempt to repair it myself, return it or file a Gibson warranty claim?

Thank you in advance!
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 01:56 PM

I also noticed this issue on my 2018 Studio... Wtf? What are the odds? Anybody experience the same issue or has an answer to the question in my initial post?
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 02:39 PM

Could be a bad soldering job at the switch, but if they both work independently and not together it is probably just a bent plate in the switch. If you take the back cover off behind the switch you can see two narrow strips of metal that touch the ball at the end of the switch. As you move the switch it will make contact with one of the plates, then move it to the other pickup it makes contact with the other plate. In the middle position it should be touching both of the plates.

Sometimes if the guitar is stored for a long period of time with the toggle in either the up or down position the little plates get slightly bent one way or the other, and then the ball doesn't make good contact with both in the middle position. Unscrew the toggle cover, loosen the toggle from the front and remove the switch from the back of the guitar. Just press the two plates toward the middle (to bend them back into position). This usually corrects the problem.

Hope that works, if not then you probably have some sort of soldering or wiring problem and I can't help with that.
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Posted 15 January 2018 - 03:24 PM

Flip the switch back and forth vigorously a dozen times or so. If you have some DeOxit, spray some of that in the switch and flip it back and forth vigorously. Make sure both volumes are above halfway.

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 06:05 PM

Remember the both volumes work at same time in the middle position.

So if you turn one of the volumes to 0 you won't get any sound out

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 09:04 PM

Thank you for your replies guys! I checked the switch and it looked fine. It was making good contact in all 3 positions. I think what messed me up is that, as Eracer mentioned, the sound goes away if either volume Pot is turned down with the switch in the center position. Lesson learned. Thanks again!
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 06:50 AM

View PostFeuervogel, on 15 January 2018 - 09:04 PM, said:

Thank you for your replies guys! I checked the switch and it looked fine. It was making good contact in all 3 positions. I think what messed me up is that, as Eracer mentioned, the sound goes away if either volume Pot is turned down with the switch in the center position. Lesson learned. Thanks again!

Yep, but without it working like that on a LP you can not play Cold Gin correctly and pretend you are Ace Frehley, and make the stutter sound of rapid on and off switching.
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 01:55 PM

Is there a consensus on which position the switch should be in when in the case? LP cases have that extra space for the switch, but there's none in my V case. If it's in the middle position, it sticks up a bit. But perhaps less harm done if it's pushed down in the middle position than in the neck or bridge position?

I know, I have an inquiring mind.
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Posted 17 January 2018 - 11:29 AM

I'm a bit of a magnet for that problem. Where the individual settings of the toggle work fine, but in the middle, only one pup works (yes, volumes up). Had that happen a couple years ago with an EPI LP Trad Pro (replaced the switch)
Now within the last year, have the same thing with a new 2015 Gibson LP Trad, a new 2015 Gibson Flying V, and a new 2016 Guild Starfire III.
Not the worst problem to have, and worth it for the prices I paid.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 05:53 AM

No one?
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 07:03 AM

View PostPinch, on 18 January 2018 - 05:53 AM, said:

No one?


I've been around guitars a very long time and I've never heard anyone ever voice a concern ever at any time ever about where the switch is ever while in the case on any guitar ever. Ever.

So, you know. Maybe.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 07:48 AM

:D

I'll take that as a... something!

I think it was Capmaster who said something about switches in cases, which sparked my curiousity.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 07:55 AM

View PostPinch, on 18 January 2018 - 07:48 AM, said:

:D

I'll take that as a... something!

I think it was Capmaster who said something about switches in cases, which sparked my curiousity.


I hope he is ok.

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Posted 18 January 2018 - 08:02 AM

Me too, he's been MIA for some time now.
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Posted 18 January 2018 - 04:30 PM

View PostPinch, on 16 January 2018 - 01:55 PM, said:

Is there a consensus on which position the switch should be in when in the case? LP cases have that extra space for the switch, but there's none in my V case. If it's in the middle position, it sticks up a bit. But perhaps less harm done if it's pushed down in the middle position than in the neck or bridge position?

I know, I have an inquiring mind.


Since I had this problem once in 48 years playing LPs I now try to make sure I store them in the middle position. That prevents the switch getting bent a little in one direction or the other. But like I said I only had the problem occur once so not sure how much effect storage position really has. To be safe I stay with the middle position.
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