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#1 User is offline   drew365 

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 10:08 PM

I'm seriously considering an 2018 SG Standard HP. What do the dip switches do? How effective are they, meaning are they even worth considering them as a positive addition?
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 04:35 AM

Single coil tones. Definately are useful, the option works well with Gibsons higher output 57+ also.
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 05:49 AM

View PostGolden, on 22 January 2018 - 04:35 AM, said:

Single coil tones. Definately are useful, the option works well with Gibsons higher output 57+ also.


That was my first thought, but then what are the push-pulls for?
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 06:53 AM

Here's a breakdown of what the controls do.

DIP 1: Neck pickup can be split (true single) or tapped (P-90 type tone)
DIP 2: Bridge pickup can be split (true single) or tapped (P-90 type tone)
DIP 3: Neck pickup treble bleed circuit (On or off)
DIP 4: Bridge pickup treble bleed circuit (On or off)
DIP 5: Transient suppression circuit (Spike control) for recording

Neck Volume: Pull for Split or tap (depending on DIP 1)
Bridge Volume: Pull for Split or tap (depending on DIP 2)
Neck tone: Pull for neck pickup phase reversal
Bridge Tone: Pull for Full bypass (Bridge only in humbucking mode with disabled controls)
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 07:22 AM

Right the description on the SG doesnt go into great detail...

http://www.gibson.co...ul-Pickups.aspx

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On selected HP models, there is also the added DIP switch (5 on/off sliders) within the body’s rear cavity that offers huge further flexibility.

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 07:59 AM

Now that is a lot of stuff on one guitar.

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 08:48 AM

View Postmerciful-evans, on 22 January 2018 - 05:49 AM, said:

That was my first thought, but then what are the push-pulls for?


On my Strat I added a small switch by the volume pot to switch my bridge hum to a single. A DIP Switch is just another way of doing it.

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 09:05 AM

View PostFZ Fan, on 22 January 2018 - 08:48 AM, said:

On my Strat I added a small switch my the volume pot to switch my bridge hum to a single. A DIP Switch is just another way of doing it.





No, the dip switches affect what the push/pulls do as opposed to being an alternative.
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 09:29 AM

Right so they need to pre-set to the preference from the rear first, then the push-pulls become contingent. Probably should really give it a good listen which sounds like a pain in the butt in a music shop.
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 09:58 AM

Thanks for the info. The dip switches do far more than I realized. The '18 HP's might be the best guitar Gibson has made in a long time. Personally, I wish they had gone with a medium fret wire for the SG instead of the "low profile". That's pretty much the only negative on the whole guitar for me.
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:28 AM

I see this is very similar to (I'd call it essentially the same thing to) what Fender did in the 2014-15 Fender American Deluxe Strat Plus. It has a series of about 5 (circuit) cards that are interchangeable in a small compartment in the back. The card emulate different wiring combos. Additionally the cards have DIP switches on them, further offering seemingly endless combos for tone. And this whole thing is passive.
Pretty impressive as far as I'm concerned. Not too surprisingly, it was bashed by the Fender community (read that as forums)as being anything from stupid to gimmicky. In fact "gimmicky" became the most common descriptor for it. Go figure. "They" talk about rewiring different combos all day long, then when Fender doe that (and more) for them, they bash it. Fender promptly dropped that feature after that model. I bought one brand new for a ridiculous $850 and it is a really great American Strat. If you don't want to fuss with the cards and related features, just leave the original card in the slot and it is just like a regular Strat.
Once again, the fickle buying public doesn't know a good thing when it hits them right between the eyes. I expect no better reception to the new Gibson version.
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Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:48 AM

View PostWmachine, on 22 January 2018 - 10:28 AM, said:

I see this is very similar to (I'd call it essentially the same thing to) what Fender did in the 2014-15 Fender American Deluxe Strat Plus. It has a series of about 5 (circuit) cards that are interchangeable in a small compartment in the back. The card emulate different wiring combos. Additionally the cards have DIP switches on them, further offering seemingly endless combos for tone. And this whole thing is passive.
Pretty impressive as far as I'm concerned. Not too surprisingly, it was bashed by the Fender community (read that as forums)as being anything from stupid to gimmicky. In fact "gimmicky" became the most common descriptor for it. Go figure. "They" talk about rewiring different combos all day long, then when Fender doe that (and more) for them, they bash it. Fender promptly dropped that feature after that model. I bought one brand new for a ridiculous $850 and it is a really great American Strat. If you don't want to fuss with the cards and related features, just leave the original card in the slot and it is just like a regular Strat.
Once again, the fickle buying public doesn't know a good thing when it hits them right between the eyes. I expect no better reception to the new Gibson version.


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Posted 22 January 2018 - 11:18 AM

View Postrct, on 22 January 2018 - 07:59 AM, said:

Now that is a lot of stuff on one guitar.

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 01:05 PM

View Postmerciful-evans, on 22 January 2018 - 11:18 AM, said:

Too much for a simple soul like me [mellow]


Unfortunately, when it comes to guitars simple is always better. No one guitar does the handful of things guitars do, that's why there are Fenders and Gibsons.

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 01:55 PM

Yeah once Henry and the Firebird X fell in love - the SG and LP were destined for more tweaking, the HP line etc. That said I havent seen them in person ..probably just out for 2018.


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Posted 22 January 2018 - 04:19 PM

View PostFarnsbarns, on 22 January 2018 - 09:05 AM, said:

No, the dip switches affect what the push/pulls do as opposed to being an alternative.


I understand but a switch is a switch. It is on or off. A DIP switch usually has a bunch of little switch in the package hence the name Dual Inline Package. So you can set it to do different things, instead of what I am doing with a normal single pole single throw, or double pole single throw (I can't remember what I used and I am not taking the pickguard off to look) which is of course going from hum to single.
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Posted 23 January 2018 - 03:48 AM

So the sliders seem to be adjusted by removing the control plate instead of from the top?

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 10:21 PM

View PostGolden, on 23 January 2018 - 03:48 AM, said:

So the sliders seem to be adjusted by removing the control plate instead of from the top?


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for the SG much less control. no out of phase, no choice of the active coil.

the switches turn off and on a treble bleed for each pick up on vol pot.
or simple switch the type of coil split. or tap.

Les Paul gives you twice the control because of the 4 push Pull pots

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just take a back plate off follow the directions on the plate
off position = a function
on postion = a different function
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Posted 12 March 2018 - 03:24 PM

My head hurts just reading this thread...
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 10:51 PM

View Postkidblast, on 12 March 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

My head hurts just reading this thread...


it's actually extremely nice, I have the 2016 HP Les Paul.

all you have to do is ask yourself 4 questions.

and Gibson's intention is to make your guitar have features that you like when you activate the push pull pot. then you can change it back if you dont like it.

1. do you like a complete single coil bridge or do you like it as coil tap maintaining a little bit of a humbucker tone. I choose complete single coil, slide the switch.
2. do you want a treble bleed on the bridge to maintain treble during volume rolloff, I chose yes slide the switch.
3 do you like a complete single coil Neck or do you like it coil tap maintaining a little bit of a humbucker tone. I choose complete single coil, slide the switch.
4. do you want a treble bleed on the neck to maintain treble during volume rolloff, I chose yes slide the switch.


transient suppresion is useless no choice required off unless you are recording artist


on the Les Paul you also bonus get out of phase when you use the push pull vol
and you can switch the dominant (inner - outer) coil when split, when you use the push pull volume


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