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Is upgrading the electronics on a Sheraton II-Pro worth it?

#1 User is offline   lendryesky 

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Posted 28 January 2018 - 02:29 PM

I might be getting a Sheraton II-Pro with the coil tapping pots and such. I don't plan on using coil tapping, but I am wondering if it is worth putting in a new wiring assembly or even new pickups. Has anybody just updated the wiring on these? Did it improve the tone significantly? I am kind of skeptical.
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Posted 30 January 2018 - 02:19 PM

View Postlendryesky, on 28 January 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

I might be getting a Sheraton II-Pro with the coil tapping pots and such. I don't plan on using coil tapping, but I am wondering if it is worth putting in a new wiring assembly or even new pickups. Has anybody just updated the wiring on these? Did it improve the tone significantly? I am kind of skeptical.


I'd recommend playing the guitar for a while before changing anything. If you like the way it sounds, no need to make changes.

As the old adage wisely says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
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#3 User is offline   Dennis G 

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 06:08 PM

View PostParabar, on 30 January 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

I'd recommend playing the guitar for a while before changing anything. If you like the way it sounds, no need to make changes.

As the old adage wisely says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Good advice. Can't speak for a Sherry, but I bought a Dot and kept it stock for almost a year, then decided to redo the wiring harness, switches, p/u's etc. I now have a 335 without the nitro finish, for about half the price, LOL. As always, YMMV.

Edit: Be warned that you'll more than likely not recoup your investment. I knew I'd never sell the Dot.

This post has been edited by Dennis G: 30 January 2018 - 06:10 PM

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#4 User is offline   Lord Summerisle 

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Posted 31 January 2018 - 12:18 PM

Wiring up a semi-hollow guitar without a control panel and a control panel cover is a monumental pain in the proverbial.

There's a rather crude old joke about the gynecologist who insisted on wallpapering his hallway through the letterbox.

If you really want to change the pick-ups, this would be an instance where I'd recommend dicing and splicing into the original wiring.

And I'd have to really hate the original pick-ups to be doing even that.

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#5 User is offline   stevo58 

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 01:08 AM

Oh, wiring a thin line is one of those things that gets easier with practice. The first time might be a disaster, but you figure out how to do it.

The advice about playing the guitar stock for a while is good. No one is forcing you to use the split. The current Epi electronic harness is decent stuff.

That said ...

I have 3 thin lines: an ES-125, a Dot, and a Casino. The newer Sheraton has better pickups, but both of the Epis really benefited from upgraded pickups (I put Fralins in both). As long as I was in there I replaced the entire harness. I use sealed pots in open guitars, because at some point dust WILL start causing problems. It gave me the chance to move to 50s wiring, and find the right tone and bleed values.

My free advice: if you play it for a while and decide you want to swap the pickups, pull everything out, unsolder it all, reassemble the old stuff, reinstall it, and repeat a couple of times until you can do it relatively easily. Once you get there, you can put the good stuff in. That way you wonít be learning with the expensive stuff and overheating pots or caps or cursing about getting the neck tone control in that hole. Youíll find what works for you. But if you are going to make the effort, go whole hog and put good pots, switch, and jack in there while you are at it so you donít have to do it again down the road.

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 05:42 AM

I have one of these, As well as 5 USA Gibson's. I would not change a thing. The Pro Buckers IMHO, are some of the best pickups Epiphone is using these days.

I had a late 90s Sheraton, and that could have definitely used a pickup swap. Sold it rather than cost out the replacement of pickups.

but these new ones, don't think you need to change anything, Just play it...

also you may find some of the combinations of tones with the coil splits are to your liking

This post has been edited by kidblast: 01 February 2018 - 05:44 AM

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Posted 01 February 2018 - 12:33 PM

I changed out the switch and jack in my MIK Casino, nothing else needed to be changed.
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Posted 07 February 2018 - 06:59 AM

View Postlendryesky, on 28 January 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

I might be getting a Sheraton II-Pro with the coil tapping pots and such. I don't plan on using coil tapping, but I am wondering if it is worth putting in a new wiring assembly or even new pickups. Has anybody just updated the wiring on these? Did it improve the tone significantly? I am kind of skeptical.


I love my newly acquired mid nineties Sherry. love everything but had to put in a new 3 way switch. would not change the pickups.
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Posted 07 February 2018 - 03:07 PM

View PostDennis G, on 30 January 2018 - 06:08 PM, said:

I bought a Dot and kept it stock for almost a year, then decided to redo the wiring harness, switches, p/u's etc. I now have a 335 without the nitro finish, for about half the price, LOL. As always, YMMV.



Sorry Dennis but that' s WRONG.

The top of the body is made of laminated maple on the Epiphone dot , not the Gibson ES-335.

This is not the only difference ...
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Posted 07 February 2018 - 03:32 PM

View PostRevolution Six, on 07 February 2018 - 03:07 PM, said:

Sorry Dennis but that' s WRONG.

The top of the body is made of laminated maple on the Epiphone dot , not the Gibson ES-335.

This is not the only difference ...

Well...if you want to compare each little spec for comparison, you've got a point. I was speaking from a sound and cosmetic standpoint (as a home only player) when I made my comment. That said, my investment is still nowhere close to the additional $2-3K (model depending) that a real 335 would cost, and again, as a "home only" player, just not worth it to me.

That said, we're really talking apples vs. oranges when it comes to comparing a Dot vs. a Sheraton. My only point was, it's a major PITA, and if you're gonna "rip it apart" you may as well change everything at the same time (if you feel it needs it, which is why I kept it stock for nearly a year). I probably could have been a bit more specific, but didn't want to post a long drawn out synopsis. As always, YMMV.

The real takeaway here is not to plan on recouping your investment if you plan on selling the guitar in the future.
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Posted 07 February 2018 - 03:42 PM

View PostRevolution Six, on 07 February 2018 - 03:07 PM, said:

Sorry Dennis but that' s WRONG.

The top of the body is made of laminated maple on the Epiphone dot , not the Gibson ES-335.

This is not the only difference ...


Seriously, we all know you are a fool intent on posting pictures of Gibson's you find on Google. We kind of know what cr ap your going to talk about 'cheap Chinese copies'
But instead of using Google to 'impress' us with 'your' Gibson's, do some reaserch, Gibson 335 are maple laminates.
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