vacamartin Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Do we have any idea if the acoustic division is a separate entity to itself in the financial set-up of the Gibson company...meaning that Gibson electric is in trouble and Gibson acoustic is not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 . AFAIK, it’s Gibson Brands that is reportedly having financial issues. That’s the corporation of which Gibson Montana is a division. Apparently Gibson Brands will sell its Memphis facility and is planning to build a smaller facility. Not sure how the latest news will effect that plan. Gibson USA (Nashville/solid bodies), Gibson Memphis (semi/hollow bodies), and Gibson Montana (acoustics), as well as Gibson’s other divisions are all effected by this. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogeye Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Do we have any idea if the acoustic division is a separate entity to itself in the financial set-up of the Gibson company...meaning that Gibson electric is in trouble and Gibson acoustic is not? NO... Gibson Montana is linked to all of the company. The entire company is just fine. There is nothing to worry about. This exact scenario plays out every 10 years and If you go back 10 years the press releases look like the same story. The only things that have changed are the dates. Henry knows exactly what he's doing and he always has. He is not going to let his company fail. He has worked to hard to get it this far and he has diversified enough to ride out any music business slump. There are people on this forum that are bad mouthing Henry and I remember when some of them first started here. One that comes to mind was a teenager knowing nothing about a guitar. He asked questions and finally figured out he had a good place to learn. Well he is considered by many to be an expert here now. Ha... What he needs to do is go to Wharton School of business and then maybe he will have something to say. Until then he is just another lost soul. Have any of Henry's detractors met him? Have any sat in on a board room meeting? Have any seen his financials? Has anyone here even been to the plant in Nashville or Bozeman? How many here have gone skiing with him or sat in a bar and drank with the man? The experts on this forum have no idea what's at stake here and how Henry is going to respond. All of the so called experts here need to shut the hell up and let the man run HIS business. It's not yours. If you don't like it sell your Gibson guitars and go buy something touchy feely like a Taylor. Go get something Mexican like a Taylor or Martin of Fender. Me? I'm going to go out and buy another Gibson to add to the 30+ I already own. Rock on Henry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Rock on Henry. Right on, Hogeye ! That's been my take on it all along. Bunch of armchair CEO's ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 NO... Gibson Montana is linked to all of the company. The entire company is just fine. There is nothing to worry about. This exact scenario plays out every 10 years and If you go back 10 years the press releases look like the same story. The only things that have changed are the dates. Henry knows exactly what he's doing and he always has. He is not going to let his company fail. He has worked to hard to get it this far and he has diversified enough to ride out any music business slump. There are people on this forum that are bad mouthing Henry and I remember when some of them first started here. One that comes to mind was a teenager knowing nothing about a guitar. He asked questions and finally figured out he had a good place to learn. Well he is considered by many to be an expert here now. Ha... What he needs to do is go to Wharton School of business and then maybe he will have something to say. Until then he is just another lost soul. Have any of Henry's detractors met him? Have any sat in on a board room meeting? Have any seen his financials? Has anyone here even been to the plant in Nashville or Bozeman? How many here have gone skiing with him or sat in a bar and drank with the man? The experts on this forum have no idea what's at stake here and how Henry is going to respond. All of the so called experts here need to shut the hell up and let the man run HIS business. It's not yours. If you don't like it sell your Gibson guitars and go buy something touchy feely like a Taylor. Go get something Mexican like a Taylor or Martin of Fender. Me? I'm going to go out and buy another Gibson to add to the 30+ I already own. Rock on Henry. Exactly.... its all your fault why I have so many my self... :D .. just kidding.. I like Gibson Guitars.. I seen a change a while ago.. and backed off.. I hope they get through the situations there in and continue.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanCarlosVejar Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 NO... Gibson Montana is linked to all of the company. The entire company is just fine. There is nothing to worry about. This exact scenario plays out every 10 years and If you go back 10 years the press releases look like the same story. The only things that have changed are the dates. Henry knows exactly what he's doing and he always has. He is not going to let his company fail. He has worked to hard to get it this far and he has diversified enough to ride out any music business slump. There are people on this forum that are bad mouthing Henry and I remember when some of them first started here. One that comes to mind was a teenager knowing nothing about a guitar. He asked questions and finally figured out he had a good place to learn. Well he is considered by many to be an expert here now. Ha... What he needs to do is go to Wharton School of business and then maybe he will have something to say. Until then he is just another lost soul. Have any of Henry's detractors met him? Have any sat in on a board room meeting? Have any seen his financials? Has anyone here even been to the plant in Nashville or Bozeman? How many here have gone skiing with him or sat in a bar and drank with the man? The experts on this forum have no idea what's at stake here and how Henry is going to respond. All of the so called experts here need to shut the hell up and let the man run HIS business. It's not yours. If you don't like it sell your Gibson guitars and go buy something touchy feely like a Taylor. Go get something Mexican like a Taylor or Martin of Fender. Me? I'm going to go out and buy another Gibson to add to the 30+ I already own. Rock on Henry. I know you are talking about me...And honestly I am so sorry you are butthurt because of a meaningless opinion. Please stop thinking that I think I know stuff because I don't and I have never claimed to. Maybe it seems to you that way because people have left the forum over the years. I don't know much even after years of being here. Most of the members know that I am not pretentious. You don't have to agree with me about what I said. But to make me look like I think I am some "torch bearer" is wrong. I will not apologize for what I said even if that prompted you to think of me as Mr.Knowitall !!! I could careless about what I stated ... The world isn't going to end. If you want to continue to bash me go right ahead. I don't need to bash you or make you look bad. I respect you as a forum member but I don't owe you anything. And this is the second and last post about this matter that I will write. JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I think this is maybe the 3rd or fourth thread in this forum regarding this. Gibson isn't going anywhere, Hogeye pretty much nails it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Gibson has been part of a big conglomerate since 1944 when they were acquired by CMI. Then came ECL Industries/Norlin and then RPG/Piezo. If you have ever seen the factory they are dumping it is massive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 . There's a Lounge post linking a Music Radar article: Gibson [Henry] responds to bankruptcy reports, claiming new strategy “will lead to the best financial results the company has seen in its history. Then a forum Administrator posted links to official Gibson press releases on the subject: . . Gibson Brands In Process of Refinancing of Company's Bonds . . Gibson Brands Hires Benson Woo as Chief Financial Officer . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 . There's a Lounge post linking a Music Radar article: Gibson [Henry] responds to bankruptcy reports, claiming new strategy “will lead to the best financial results the company has seen in its history. Then a forum Administrator posted links to official Gibson press releases on the subject: . . Gibson Brands In Process of Refinancing of Company's Bonds . . Gibson Brands Hires Benson Woo as Chief Financial Officer . I'm not going to trash Henry, because he saved the Gibson brand. However, I do get a kick out the of stated intention of the company in the press release to "monetize assets" to "reduce debt and generate funds to contribute to business segments that are thriving." You don't have to be a genius--or have an MBA--to translate that into plain English. The following phrase also caught my eye: "All Gibson Brands are dedicated to innovation, prestige and improving the quality of life of our customers." A new guitar always improves my "quality of life", except for its impact on my bank account. However, I'm not necessarily looking to live the Gibson lifestyle, whatever that might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidblast Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 However, I'm not necessarily looking to live the Gibson lifestyle, whatever that might be. awe c'mon Nick, Think of all the cool hipness you'll be missin out on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Nick, We’ve seen you in your Gibson jacket. You could be a poster child for the Gibson Lifestyle. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-200 Koa Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 All interesting opinions, but all are just that....opinions. When the dust settles, the opinions of the financial institutions and Gibson Brands will be the only opinions that really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Nick, We’ve seen you in your Gibson jacket. You could be a poster child for the Gibson Lifestyle. 😉 Trapped like a rat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortyearspickn Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Trapped like a rat! So, it wasn’t Henry who came up with “The Gibson Lifestyle” ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vacamartin Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 Thanks all......I like the way you guys let it all hang out without resorting to written violence. Hogeye, Juan, you guys are O.K. So is everybody else. We all(most of us) have the same sentiment....Long Live Gibson-especially Gibson Montana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKahune Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Nick, We’ve seen you in your Gibson jacket. You could be a poster child for the Gibson Lifestyle. 😉 Best 'Gotcha' I've seen in quite a while! . . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j45nick Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Thanks all......I like the way you guys let it all hang out without resorting to written violence. Hogeye, Juan, you guys are O.K. So is everybody else. We all(most of us) have the same sentiment....Long Live Gibson-especially Gibson Montana Amen brother, amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Paul Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 A Gibson jacket? I own the only Gibby T-shirt and hat I've ever seen. Collings and Martin cater to their gear hungry fans but Gibson is leaving $ on the table in this department. A Gibson jacket ????😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyd Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Collings and Martin cater to their gear hungry fans but Gibson is leaving $ on the table in this department. They have a whole section of stuff on their website, how much more do you want? Doesn't interest me, I'm not going to spend money to walk around as a Gibson billboard. ;) http://store.gibson.com/lifestyle/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitedrifter Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Henry sucks to work for at the executive level. Look how many new execs joined Gibson in 2016 (new and industry respected talent) that left within 6 months? No talented execs means no way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitedrifter Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 NO... Gibson Montana is linked to all of the company. The entire company is just fine. There is nothing to worry about. This exact scenario plays out every 10 years and If you go back 10 years the press releases look like the same story. The only things that have changed are the dates. Henry knows exactly what he's doing and he always has. He is not going to let his company fail. He has worked to hard to get it this far and he has diversified enough to ride out any music business slump. There are people on this forum that are bad mouthing Henry and I remember when some of them first started here. One that comes to mind was a teenager knowing nothing about a guitar. He asked questions and finally figured out he had a good place to learn. Well he is considered by many to be an expert here now. Ha... What he needs to do is go to Wharton School of business and then maybe he will have something to say. Until then he is just another lost soul. Have any of Henry's detractors met him? Have any sat in on a board room meeting? Have any seen his financials? Has anyone here even been to the plant in Nashville or Bozeman? How many here have gone skiing with him or sat in a bar and drank with the man? The experts on this forum have no idea what's at stake here and how Henry is going to respond. All of the so called experts here need to shut the hell up and let the man run HIS business. It's not yours. If you don't like it sell your Gibson guitars and go buy something touchy feely like a Taylor. Go get something Mexican like a Taylor or Martin of Fender. Me? I'm going to go out and buy another Gibson to add to the 30+ I already own. Rock on Henry. Do you know Henry and go skiing with him? When was the last time you sat in on a board meeting or chatted with Henry about business? Do you know anyone who worked directly for Henry? Just asking cause you may have some personal knowledge how the billion dollar Gibson company is run and I need to shut my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Paul Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 They have a whole section of stuff on their website, how much more do you want? Doesn't interest me, I'm not going to spend money to walk around as a Gibson billboard. ;) http://store.gibson.com/lifestyle/ A bunch of electric oriented stuff and NO GIBSON JACKET [laugh] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogeye Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 A bunch of electric oriented stuff and NO GIBSON JACKET [laugh] I have a bunch of Gibson Montana jackets and will sell some of them. PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogeye Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Do you know Henry and go skiing with him? When was the last time you sat in on a board meeting or chatted with Henry about business? Do you know anyone who worked directly for Henry? Just asking cause you may have some personal knowledge how the billion dollar Gibson company is run and I need to shut my mouth. Henry is much to busy to go skiing anymore. We skied at Big sky when he used to bring his boys to Montana. I have been retired from Gibson for several years now. Do I know anyone who works for Gibson? Most of my best friends do or have. Oh, by the way I do know Henry and have worked with and for him. I just post here as there are a lot of trolls here that don't really care for the wellbeing of Gibson. This is made obvious by some of the posting here in the last two or so days. I feel the need to try to defend the truth and am not some mindless dupe spouting the Gibson mantra. I don't know what the bond holders will do. I just hope that the company will survive. Henry is doing his very best to keep the company relevant in this dangerous business climate. You don't need to shut your mouth. You need to stay informed and state your opinions here along with the rest of us. Try not to be distracted by the trolls. We should all remember that this forum is bought and paid for by Gibson and we should try to keep the discussion focused on the problems they are facing and not personal attacks on the guy that has made this company the greatest music company on the planet. Good luck to you Henry and may you succeed in your endeavors. Only a Gibson is Good Enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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