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Martin acoustic volume vs Gibson

#41 User is offline   Dave F 

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Posted 01 April 2018 - 12:02 PM

Gibson, Inc., General Assembly Room, 1936. “One section of the general assembling room.” Photographed by Mamie L. Austin.


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#42 User is offline   j45nick 

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Posted 01 April 2018 - 12:15 PM

Thanks, Dave, great photos!

It's amazing what you can learn from a good, detailed photo.
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Posted 01 April 2018 - 02:42 PM

Precious pictures from the so called 'great depression'. Guess those arch-tops did raise the spirit where ever they went.

Who can find the then only 3 years old L-C - Century of Progress, , , and do we see female movie stars on the wall. .

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You just can't keep coincidences down. .
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Posted 01 April 2018 - 03:04 PM

View PostE-minor7, on 01 April 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

Who can find the then only 3 years old L-C - [font="Times New Roman"][size="4"]Century of Progre[size="4"]ss, , ,


Lower left guitar rack in the first picture shows the distinctive CoP headstock on what appears to be an unfinished body.

There's also a mandolin in one picture, but that one is a bit easier to find than the CoP.
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Posted 01 April 2018 - 04:02 PM

View Postj45nick, on 01 April 2018 - 03:04 PM, said:

Lower left guitar rack in the first picture shows the distinctive CoP headstock on what appears to be an unfinished body.

There's also a mandolin in one picture, but that one is a bit easier to find than the CoP.

Rightos, , , and that mandolin says helo to its roots by resting just above a load of spaghetti.
You just can't keep coincidences down. .
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Posted 01 April 2018 - 04:12 PM

View PostE-minor7, on 01 April 2018 - 04:02 PM, said:

Rightos, , , and that mandolin says helo to its roots by resting just above a load of spaghetti.


haha..Em7 you are a great lateral thinker!What is that spaghetti??
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Posted 01 April 2018 - 05:26 PM

View Postflatbaroque, on 01 April 2018 - 04:12 PM, said:

haha..Em7 you are a great lateral thinker!What is that spaghetti??



It's either rubber bands, or string, used to hold the body binding in place while the glue sets. Gibson still uses a variation on that process, either with tape or rubber bands, I believe.

You can see the bound bodies all around that work station.

These photos are the best thing I've seen in a long time.
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Posted 01 April 2018 - 06:30 PM

View Postj45nick, on 01 April 2018 - 05:26 PM, said:

It's either rubber bands, or string, used to hold the body binding in place while the glue sets. Gibson still uses a variation on that process, either with tape or rubber bands, I believe.

You can see the bound bodies all around that work station.

These photos are the best thing I've seen in a long time.

Yes, they're on the one he works on too. Did rubber-bands exist as early as 1936 ?


View Postflatbaroque, on 01 April 2018 - 04:12 PM, said:

haha..Em7 you are a great lateral thinker!What is that spaghetti??

Ouh thank U sir - time to look up lateral, , , is it something gastronomic. .
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Posted 01 April 2018 - 07:00 PM

View PostE-minor7, on 01 April 2018 - 06:30 PM, said:

Yes, they're on the one he works on too. Did rubber-bands exist as early as 1936 ?



Ouh thank U sir - time to look up lateral, , , is it something gastronomic. .
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Think of it as something off the straight and narrow. Thinking outside the box.
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Posted 01 April 2018 - 07:02 PM

View PostE-minor7, on 01 April 2018 - 06:30 PM, said:

Yes, they're on the one he works on too. Did rubber-bands exist as early as 1936 ?




"The rubber band was patented in 1845."

-Wikipedia
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Posted 01 April 2018 - 10:45 PM

View Postj45nick, on 01 April 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

"The rubber band was patented in 1845."

-Wikipedia


Wonder how long before someone pinged one against someone’s ***
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Posted 01 April 2018 - 10:54 PM

View Postj45nick, on 01 April 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

"The rubber band was patented in 1845."


Good to know - btw. as we recall the rubber soul was patented 120 years later. .
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Posted 01 April 2018 - 11:41 PM

View Postblindboygrunt, on 01 April 2018 - 10:45 PM, said:

Wonder how long before someone pinged one against someone’s ***


haha..It was March 18, 1845..Seamus O'Flaherty on his little brother Declan
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Posted 02 April 2018 - 05:49 AM

View PostDave F, on 01 April 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

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Thanks Dave! This is really great!

I wonder what those round hole guitars hanging on the top left are? Mostly this stuff looks like archtops, and Gibson did make a run of round hole L-4s in 1936.

Who knows -- here is ours.

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Posted 02 April 2018 - 06:02 AM

View PostDave F, on 01 April 2018 - 12:02 PM, said:

Gibson, Inc., General Assembly Room, 1936. “One section of the general assembling room.” Photographed by Mamie L. Austin.


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Great!!!

Both this picture and the previous one show a couple of hanging guitars -- one with back binding and one without. This was the year of the Trojan -- the prototype J-35 -- which was a Jumbo without back binding (and a few other changes). So as long as i am fantasizing, here is the only Trojan documented by FON in the Gibson shipping ledgers.

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Thanks again Dave. Made my morning.

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Posted 02 April 2018 - 06:31 AM

All the photos are from the Kalamazoo Library and are tagged public domain
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Posted 02 April 2018 - 07:54 AM

My 1988 Martin D-28p has nice tone, but I always thought it a tad light in volume. I'm a finger picker. It was the first adjustable Martin I had had -- so I blamed the new truss rod.

Now I'm enjoying my first AJ -- and it's a bit louder than the D-28p. The 2006 AJ surprised me, with how rich the tone was, and how sensitive/expressive it was -- for a 'killer'. The banjo has been forced deep into the hills, around here, so (normally) volume isn't really a big deal.

The AJ encourages me to come up with big notes, and I think my playing is a little more dynamic. It's a hotrod, and I'm an old guy who still likes to squawk the tires. A 'Nice to know it's there.' feeling.

The Short:
+1 my AJ is a touch louder than my D.

Just two very specific guitars, and just one player's opinion. B)

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:55 AM

View PostBC Mike 118, on 10 March 2018 - 01:51 AM, said:

I am a confirmed Gibson acoustic lover and have a number of them including two SJ200's, a Dove, Hummingbird and a Songwriter Deluxe Studio. Recently I bought a Martin HD35 even though I had never considered owning one before but I could not resist the price. I couldn't believe the difference in acoustic volume. Much louder than the Gibsons, ever the SJ200's! Have any of you had this experience? The bracing is 1/4" and scalloped but can that make such a noticible difference in volume?

Congrats on your purchase, Mike: i can feel your enthusiasm & understand it. The fact is the HD35 volume is just terrific: a great big sound. On the one hand, this certainly is due to the 1/4" scalloped braces which would accentuate the treble, but on the other hand the three-piece back plays an important part in the whole thing as well because it would enhance the bass. The guys from Martin started to make three-piece backs at the time because they had to face important economical problems and criticisms sometimes have been made as regarding the visual aspect of it, but the fact is that those backs proved to have a genuine consequence regarding the sound, the evidence is that nowadays D35 & HD35 models are highly praised by Martin aficionados. I believe that one could be real hard-pressed before they find a guitar able to sound louder than a Martin HD35, to put it in the mildest words, but although its volume is big, one must keep in mind that's not all: the tone is powerful but definetely warm and clear as well. I do have a D28 i bought in June 1997 & i really love it, but my love struck remains my 2017 Hummingbird i bought last year. Best wishes.
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Posted 03 April 2018 - 08:15 PM

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What would be the main difference between this and a Nick Lucas?
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Posted 03 April 2018 - 11:09 PM

View PostDave F, on 03 April 2018 - 08:15 PM, said:

What would be the main difference between this and a Nick Lucas?


Nick Lucas is a flat top -- this is an archtop and it is larger and worth less. This is from a well known batch of L-4s where they used Nick Lucas fingerboards and had a round sound hole-- normally an L-4 has dot inlays and f-holes. I recently saw a picture of a RSSD where they did the same thing. Go figure.

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