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Why Do Gibson Headstocks Break? Interesting Article

#1 User is online   drathbun 

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:10 PM

This is an interesting read:

Why Do Gibson Headstocks Break
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:26 PM

Reminds me of my 1974 J-50 Deluxe. Got it repaired during the 1980's.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:28 PM

View PostBoyd, on 16 April 2018 - 02:26 PM, said:

Just like my 1974 J-50 Deluxe. Got it repaired during the 1980's and it has been fine since then.

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The repair actually makes the neck stronger. We've seen that over and over with LP's, SG's etc.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:29 PM

That article makes a lot of sense. The main take away is to be careful with expensive instruments.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 05:41 PM

Interesting, my local shop has a 75th anniversary SJ-200 I've been eyeing up with a crack on the neck.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 07:41 PM

View Postdrathbun, on 16 April 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

The repair actually makes the neck stronger. We've seen that over and over with LP's, SG's etc.

By this logic one might as well break the head stock immediately after production, fix it and get it over with.Sort of like torrefaction (or whatever the proper term may be). Interesting.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 08:43 PM

 Boyd, on 16 April 2018 - 02:26 PM, said:

Reminds me of my 1974 J-50 Deluxe. Got it repaired during the 1980's.

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My 1972 SJDs neck and repair looks identical. In my case I stupidly dropped the guitar during a photo session. The authorized Gibson repairman in the area repaired mine and promised me that the repaired spot is now stronger than it ever was and that if another break occurs, it wont be there.

Many sources claim that the neck volute that Norlin instituted in the 70s was actually put in the wrong place on the neck, making the section under it more prone to breaking, despite their introducing the neck volute to stop neck breaks to reduce warrantee repairs. Its a good thing, the Henry era discontinued the volute that Norlin introduced.

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 09:34 PM

View Postolie, on 16 April 2018 - 07:41 PM, said:

By this logic one might as well break the head stock immediately after production, fix it and get it over with.Sort of like torrefaction (or whatever the proper term may be). Interesting.


Ummm no I wouldn't recommend that. :) Just don't drop the guitar, either off its stand or in the case. To be clear, any single piece neck with a larger headstock angle (>13 degrees say...Gibsons are 17 degrees) will be vulnerable to a neck break at the weakest point near the nut.

I've seen guitars that have been broken and repaired more than once.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 05:02 AM

Not just Gibsons. I repaired this one just fine. The break was clean so it needed only gluing. If not, however, splines are needed.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 06:35 AM

Any neck with that break angle is vulnerable if dropped. Really mot just Gibsons. Ask any repair tech what repairs they see most often, this will likely be in the top 5.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 11:40 AM

Back in the 80's I had a Kramer electric that had the two piece neck with a severe headstock back angle. The glue couldn't hold the stress and the fretboard started to bulge due to the joint slippage. Hated that guitar because of that and treated it badly. I accidentally on purpose dropped it and snapped the neck. I wood glued it back together and it's still holding strong. My nephew currently owns it.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:31 PM

Those damned Gibsons!!!! I warned all you folks about this years ago. If you recall correctly, I offered to buy your Gibsons for $50 each (and I'd pay shipping), so long as the headstock was still attached. Well, since you failed to act on my offer, I'll make it once more, but now I'll only pay $15 (you pay the shipping). Let me know when to expect your guitar. [thumbup]
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 12:37 PM

View PostMissouriPicker, on 17 April 2018 - 12:31 PM, said:

Those damned Gibsons!!!! I warned all you folks about this years ago. If you recall correctly, I offered to buy your Gibsons for $50 each (and I'd pay shipping), so long as the headstock was still attached. Well, since you failed to act on my offer, I'll make it once more, but now I'll only pay $15 (you pay the shipping). Let me know when to expect your guitar. [thumbup]



HEY LARRY!! Haven't heard from you much lately Hope all is well.. Good the hear from you! as for your most generous offer, let me chew on it for a few decades, let ya know!! :)
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 02:14 PM

View PostMissouriPicker, on 17 April 2018 - 12:31 PM, said:

Those damned Gibsons!!!! I warned all you folks about this years ago. If you recall correctly, I offered to buy your Gibsons for $50 each (and I'd pay shipping), so long as the headstock was still attached. Well, since you failed to act on my offer, I'll make it once more, but now I'll only pay $15 (you pay the shipping). Let me know when to expect your guitar. [thumbup]


LOL! Out of my cold, dead, hands! Give me a solid, one-piece neck with a 17 degree headstock angle every time! I'll risk it!
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 02:51 PM

Nor just guitars


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:24 PM

View PostDave F, on 17 April 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

Nor just guitars


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Nice, clean break. Easy fix.
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