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#1 User is offline   nopicknick 

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 05:16 PM

I am really liking the 61 series pickups in my 2018 SG. They sound fantastic clean or dirty. I've read somewhere they are basically Burstbuckers, but I have no idea. No need for a pickup swap at all. Anyone else like them as much as I do?
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Posted 12 May 2018 - 06:35 AM

I am not a fan of them as I find they are too muddy with moderate to high gain.
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 12:20 PM

I have 61s in my LPM, which is my main gigging guitar, and Burstbucker Pros in my Les Paul Standard, which mostly hangs on the wall. I don't hear a huge difference between them. The LPM is a little brighter and perhaps marginally hotter, which might be as much to do with the increased stiffness of the maple neck as the pickups. Since I bought the circuit board from a Standard on Ebay, the LPM now has coil taps, and the 61s definitely sound brighter, sweeter and less harsh tapped than the Burstbuckers do.

The specs say both kinds of pickup have unbalanced coils, but the Burstbucker Pros have more wire on the inner coil with the slugs and the 61s have more wire on the outer coil with the screws. The Burstbuckers also have a "tuned" coil tap, so they probably aren't tapping the same amount of coil as the 61s.

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 01:06 PM

I can say that I personally own a pair of 61T/61R pickups that I put in a Les Paul Traditional. They replaced the 57/57+ pickups that came stock. To me, the 61s sound like the 57s with a touch more high and low-end push. It took quite a while to dial in my rig after I changed the pickups because I wanted a similar but not the same sound as the 57s.
Honestly I am debating changing the 61s out for Burstbuckers. I really love the tone of Burstbuckers. The 57's and 61's just don't have the same tone as the BBs.

Regarding the 61's I think when coil tapped they sound a little better than the 57s. But I hardly use the coil taps.

If I were to blind test the 57s and the 61s I'd have a hard time guessing which one was which.

The 61's have an Alnico 5 magnet. To me, they sound a little more 'scooped' compared to the 57s. I think that is because they have a little more high and low end (and thus leaving the mids about the same as the 57s). Under gain they sound almost identical to the 57s. I think the 61s have a bit more 'bite'. They remind me of Pearly Gates without the fizz on the top.

I can tell you that the 61 neck pickup is missing something. I don't know what it is. Its not the same as the 57 neck which I liked. I have to spend some more time dialing in a better tone.

The 61s are staying in the guitar for now, but like I said I'm very partial to BBs so I might change them out for a pair.

I would probably not buy another set of 61s though and just keep the 57s or my preferred BBs. I don't think the 61s are terrible but they just don't sit well with my particular guitar/amp/setup. I use a Vintage Modern 50w amp and Marshall IRs for cabinets. I have not tried the 61s through my brand new Origin 20 however.

Sorry for the rambling post. Just trying to give you some insight into the 61s. The 61s probably sound better in the SG. I don't have an SG to swap them into.
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Posted 02 June 2018 - 10:54 PM

View PostDerald, on 25 May 2018 - 01:06 PM, said:

I can say that I personally own a pair of 61T/61R pickups that I put in a Les Paul Traditional. They replaced the 57/57+ pickups that came stock. To me, the 61s sound like the 57s with a touch more high and low-end push. It took quite a while to dial in my rig after I changed the pickups because I wanted a similar but not the same sound as the 57s.
Honestly I am debating changing the 61s out for Burstbuckers. I really love the tone of Burstbuckers. The 57's and 61's just don't have the same tone as the BBs.

Regarding the 61's I think when coil tapped they sound a little better than the 57s. But I hardly use the coil taps.

If I were to blind test the 57s and the 61s I'd have a hard time guessing which one was which.

The 61's have an Alnico 5 magnet. To me, they sound a little more 'scooped' compared to the 57s. I think that is because they have a little more high and low end (and thus leaving the mids about the same as the 57s). Under gain they sound almost identical to the 57s. I think the 61s have a bit more 'bite'. They remind me of Pearly Gates without the fizz on the top.

I can tell you that the 61 neck pickup is missing something. I don't know what it is. Its not the same as the 57 neck which I liked. I have to spend some more time dialing in a better tone.

The 61s are staying in the guitar for now, but like I said I'm very partial to BBs so I might change them out for a pair.

I would probably not buy another set of 61s though and just keep the 57s or my preferred BBs. I don't think the 61s are terrible but they just don't sit well with my particular guitar/amp/setup. I use a Vintage Modern 50w amp and Marshall IRs for cabinets. I have not tried the 61s through my brand new Origin 20 however.

Sorry for the rambling post. Just trying to give you some insight into the 61s. The 61s probably sound better in the SG. I don't have an SG to swap them into.


I C U have bought one of the MARSHALL "ORIGIN" AMPS,YES? the Origin 20, N-I-C-E ! and I wish I had waited instead of getting the MARSHALL DSL 40C as its kind of a disappointment to me......It tends to clip at Hi-GAIN settings and has been in the shop on a warranty repair already. The 'ORIGIN' series caught my eye as they are advertised as 'PEDAL FRIENDLY', so its onto Craigs List with the DSL, as soon as I can get a word on the 'ORIGIN' series amps or play thru one at a store(Yet to even see one in a store!).The DSL series was highly recommended and maybe I just got a bad one, IDK, but itssa disappointment for sure.

SO, how is the goin' with the 'ORIGIN 20'? How many Pedals are running into the front input? or do you make use of the EFFECTS LOOP (if it has one, I have yet to see one in person)? HEADROOM OK ? How about low end BASS, no BUZZ on the grill? IDK 4 sure but I was told MARSHALL just came out with this series (2017) of amps and that they are BAD-A$$. So I'm just lookin for an opinion from someone that has one (IDK anyone that does) if you don't mind.....thinkin of getting one of those BAD-BOYS. TNX in advance !!
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Posted 04 June 2018 - 09:36 AM

The Origin 20 is a great amp. I use the head version into a Torpedo Captor and use Celestion IRs with Wall of Sound. Sounds BOSS!
I use it at full volume and mostly full gain. It has a little more gain than my Vintage Modern in LDR.
I use a Soul Food and a an OD Glove and the Origin handles it great. I use the amps gain rather than pedals in mos cases.
I had a DSL a few years ago. I thought it was a nice amp. But the Origin is definitely more my style. I liken the Origin to a JMP Marshall with its EL34 power plant. My Vintage Modern is more like a JTM Marshall.
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Posted 04 June 2018 - 09:37 AM

As a follow up to the Gibson 61 pickups. Iíve replaced them with Classic 57s and Iím happier. The 61s just didnít do it for me in my Les Paul. Canít put my finger on exactly why. The 57s however are perfect.
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Posted 13 June 2018 - 01:24 AM

View PostDerald, on 04 June 2018 - 09:37 AM, said:

As a follow up to the Gibson 61 pickups. I've replaced them with Classic 57s and I'm happier. The 61s just didn't do it for me in my Les Paul. Can't put my finger on exactly why. The 57s however are perfect.



Thanks for the good word on the 'ORIGIN'. I have not really been too impressed with the MARSHALL DSL 40C Combo I have. It has already been in the shoppe on a warraty repair and I do not use the ULTRA-GAIN Channel at all, as it will 'CLIP OUT' easily if a Over-Drive pedal is put in front of it. The clean channels ,I must say, are pretty damn good, CLEAR is the word, and I am between getting rid of it or just standing pat. I play in stereo with a VOX NIGHT-TRAIN 15C-1 Combo and the two together do what I need them to do quite well.(Stick a mic in front of each and run thru a P.A. and ROCK !). I only just got the VOX as a Stop-Gap measure to have something to play thru while the DSL was in the shoppe for a month and I admit its a bit of a mis-match but getting them to sound equal takes not much effort. Plus two speakers is better than one ! I have a short PEDAL CHAIN going through the front end and its never more than four pedals and it's usually just three (Fulltone 'OCD'/Compressor/STEREO CHORUS) with the STEREO CHORUS going out to both AMP IN-PUTS. I run a Noise Reducer through both AMPS effects Loops to deal with the HUM I get but its really not much and the NR cleans what little HUM is present up really well.

I wanted to change my TONE, so I got rid of my good ole Digi-Tech GSL Legend 21 EFFECTS PROCESSOR and FENDER Solid-State AMPS and went FULL RETRO w/Analog Foot Pedals and TUBE AMP's and I am really glad I did. I almost can not believe I put up with the TONE I had for twenty years. The DSL AMP I picked being the only thing I'd change so far.......

I saw the advert regarding the ORIGIN series and like the 'PEDAL FRIENDLY' part of it. The DSL 40C was an AMP I wanted since it came out and I heard nothing but rave reviews about it but it is NOT 'PEDAL FRIENDLY' in a true sense as the ULTRA GAIN Channel is useless for me. I only use the JCM 800 part of the 'CLASSIC GAIN' Channel and wish it could be easier to hit the '59 SUPER PLEXI-LEAD part of the 'Classic GAIN' Channel to cut thru when necessary but I have to walk over and hit the button, so its not real functional at all.

I think the 'ORIGIN' Series will be just the thing I need to get that ROCK SOLID MARSHALL TONE with just 2 or 3 pedals out front of it, too bad it came out after the DSL series. Now I gotta get rid of the two AMPS I have and then.... GO FOR IT ! The FENDER REVERBS and FREIDMAN 'Dirty Shirley's of this world are just a bit too pricey and I think I can get the TONE I want and not have to spend $1800+ to get it.


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