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Removing Gforce tuners

#1 User is offline   newfiesig 

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 08:51 PM

I read a lot of contradictory posts on removing gforce tuners from Les Pauls.

Has anyone actually done this? Did holes have to be drilled for the new tuners?
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Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:43 PM

View Postnewfiesig, on 12 June 2018 - 08:51 PM, said:

I read a lot of contradictory posts on removing gforce tuners from Les Pauls.

Has anyone actually done this? Did holes have to be drilled for the new tuners?


Whether or not you have to drill holes depends on what you are replacing the Robot Tuner's with, yes? If I were doing it, I would go with good old GIBSON DELUXE Tuning Machines (ALSO: check to see what was the stock Tuning Machine on the Les Paul STANDARD TRADITIONAL Model that particular year)......from what I remember they have holes that line-up and will only require that you get the new screws in straight and not over-tight to the point of stripping.

FWIW, if your taking the G-Force off the Guitar make sure to get a set of Tuning Machines that have holes that line-up with the existing holes on the back of the Head-Stock. This way there is NO DRILLING and later on, NO HOLES will be visible and you can put the G-Force Tuner's back on, later, especially if your selling the Guitar. IDK, its just that drilling holes in GIBSON Guitars, OMG, especially a Les Paul STANDARD, seems so wrong to me.
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#3 User is offline   Tyler A 

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 08:00 PM

I did it. I put on locking Groverís. I did have to drill a hole but it was easy. Soooo much better now!
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Posted 14 June 2018 - 10:28 PM

Turns out that L&M will do it for me for free. They started providing this service for people who bought guitars with gforce in order to sell them.

Now I just have to decide on tuners...
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Posted 15 June 2018 - 12:08 AM

The new KLUSON Revolution are great, high ratio 19:1, vintage design , locking version available [thumbup]
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Posted 15 June 2018 - 05:58 AM

There's nothing in my books that tops nickel Grover locking tuners.

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 07:47 AM

View PostRevolution Six, on 15 June 2018 - 12:08 AM, said:

The new KLUSON Revolution are great, high ratio 19:1, vintage design , locking version available [thumbup]


I DID have my eyes on them... Iíll have to check them out.
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Posted 15 June 2018 - 07:48 AM

View PostLeonard McCoy, on 15 June 2018 - 05:58 AM, said:

There's nothing in my books that tops nickel Grover locking tuners.


Iím looking to stay vintage...
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Posted 19 June 2018 - 11:59 AM

View Postnewfiesig, on 14 June 2018 - 10:28 PM, said:

Turns out that L&M will do it for me for free. They started providing this service for people who bought guitars with gforce in order to sell them.

Now I just have to decide on tuners...


I assume they did charge for the cost of the new tuner set?

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#10 User is offline   newfiesig 

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 12:38 PM

View Postleonitus, on 19 June 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

I assume they did charge for the cost of the new tuner set?


I haven't got the guitar yet (shows up Thursday), but yeah, they will be charging for the replacements. Which is fine as I would rather pick out what I want rather than be pigeon holed into a cheap set that they throw in.
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Posted 20 June 2018 - 05:44 AM

View Postnewfiesig, on 19 June 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

I haven't got the guitar yet (shows up Thursday), but yeah, they will be charging for the replacements. Which is fine as I would rather pick out what I want rather than be pigeon holed into a cheap set that they throw in.



Thank you. Labor costs being what they are, that’s a great incentive

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 04:58 AM

Nobody seems sure about what replacements will drop straight in.
There were a couple of threads 2 years back where such sets were identified, but the board has been re-organised since. They are lost.

I'm in no hurry to do this, but since I've had 2 G-Force malfunctions, I'd like to source replacements (without drilling holes).
My G-Force has lasted 3 years, and I will miss the easy string changes, but I need to rely on them!
I sometimes think; therefore I am intermittent
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 11:24 AM

View Postmerciful-evans, on 21 June 2018 - 04:58 AM, said:

Nobody seems sure about what replacements will drop straight in.
There were a couple of threads 2 years back where such sets were identified, but the board has been re-organised since. They are lost.

I'm in no hurry to do this, but since I've had 2 G-Force malfunctions, I'd like to source replacements (without drilling holes).
My G-Force has lasted 3 years, and I will miss the easy string changes, but I need to rely on them!


From what I'm tracking, there are two different size peg holes (vintage and modern). The GForce (I believe) would be considered modern.

Please someone chime in if this is not accurate.
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 11:46 AM

View Postnewfiesig, on 21 June 2018 - 11:24 AM, said:

From what I'm tracking, there are two different size peg holes (vintage and modern). The GForce (I believe) would be considered modern.

Please someone chime in if this is not accurate.

Step 1 Take off G Force

Step 2 See if the tuners you want to install fit

Step 3 If said tuners do not fit very carefully ream out the hole for said tuners. I used a drill and covered the holes with masking tape so I would not damage the finish

Step 4 Drill Small pilot hole to secure tuner to headstock

Step 5 Play that mother.

Seriously I did it on a '57 ES-225TD I had. The vintage original tuners sucked arse and would not stay in tune, and I installed modern ones. Not a big deal. See if you can guess what album some of those are.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 11:54 AM

View PostLP Trad Pro II, on 21 June 2018 - 11:46 AM, said:

Step 1 Take off G Force

Step 2 See if the tuners you want to install fit

Step 3 If said tuners do not fit very carefully ream out the hole for said tuners. I used a drill and covered the holes with masking tape so I would not damage the finish

Step 4 Drill Small pilot hole to secure tuner to headstock

Step 5 Play that mother.

Seriously I did it on a '57 ES-225TD I had. The vintage original tuners sucked arse and would not stay in tune, and I installed modern ones. Not a big deal

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Step 3 is where I have the issue. I don't want to ream out the holes. I would rather find a set of tuners that fit into the holes with no modification.
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 12:00 PM

If I can do it anyone can. Remember go slow and use tape. You can even buy manual reamers that will drastic reduce the wood chipping if it all.
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 12:32 PM

View PostLP Trad Pro II, on 21 June 2018 - 12:00 PM, said:

If I can do it anyone can. Remember go slow and use tape. You can even buy manual reamers that will drastic reduce the wood chipping if it all.


I'm sure I can do it (I recently built a table set out of walnut). It's just that I would rather not remove wood from my guitar if I don't have to. And as long as there are tuners out there that fit the current hole, I don't have to.
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 01:26 PM

View PostLP Trad Pro II, on 21 June 2018 - 11:46 AM, said:

Step 1 Take off G Force

Step 2 See if the tuners you want to install fit


It would be nice not to have to buy them 1st, but I cant see any hole position/centers being listed.

View PostLP Trad Pro II, on 21 June 2018 - 11:46 AM, said:

See if you can guess what album some of those are.




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Posted 24 June 2018 - 08:23 PM

Sorry that I don't know if the G Force holes are big enough for good Grovers or Gibson or Kluson or Schaller vintage lookalikes. That's the question you asked. You can easily find the specs for specific tuner sets on the web, since everyone (who is halfway careful) has the same "does it fit?" question. I'm sorry not to have that info, but you can easily find it. Now, how can I turn your question into a post about me...?
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Posted 25 June 2018 - 07:02 AM

View Postmerciful-evans, on 21 June 2018 - 01:26 PM, said:

It would be nice not to have to buy them 1st, but I cant see any hole position/centers being listed.



Well, Skull**** stands out a treat [thumbup]

Nice to know some people remember what they wanted to call it.
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