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Epiphone EJ-200 made in USA identification help needed I am seeking identification help for a EJ-200 natural

#1 User is offline   audionaut 

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Posted 04 July 2018 - 12:55 AM

Hello Epiphonists!

I am trying to identify the date and place of manufcture of this nice Epiphone EJ-200 guitar (see photos).

The label displays made in the USA and a seven-digit serial no. (8206048) which I was not able to retrieve in various sources in the web.

My guess would be: YY 82, MM 06 (June) and either factory code (048) or manufacture no. 048?

Has anybody come across these kind of Epiphone guitars - made in USA?
I thought most of Epiphones's production was offshored to Asia so could it be that this guitar was still made in USA?

When an where was this guitar built?
Does it have a solid spruce or is it laminated?
Any idea of a reasonable second hand price?

All input or comments are highly appreciated!

Cheers
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Posted 05 July 2018 - 10:54 AM

First of all, welcome to the forum!

As for the instrument in question, it is highly unlikely that this guitar was built in the USA.

I would initially have said that it was probably made in Korea in the '90s, and that is still a possibility.

But the pinless bridge is something I have not seen on an actual Epiphone with a mustache bridge. Therefore, I'm wondering if this is a Chinese knock-off.

In either case, the label is most likely intended to deceive the buyer.
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 01:48 AM

Dear bobouz,

Thanks for your welcome and comment!

It's true that this pinless Moustache Bridge is rather unusual. I have not found it on any web Picture of an EJ-200.

However, maybe this is a good hint for identification either as a real US made Guitar or as a counterfeit?

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 12:12 PM

View Postaudionaut, on 06 July 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

However, maybe this is a good hint for identification either as a real US made Guitar or as a counterfeit?

Yes, the pinless bridge on a jumbo body is a significant clue, as it does not conform to any era of Epi construction that I've seen to date.

Never say never, but it's almost a certainty that this guitar was not made in the USA. If it were, it would have been made by Gibson (since they own Epiphone) - and likewise, it does not conform to the common norms of Gibson USA construction.

The EJ-200 first appeared in the early 90s, when Epiphone acoustic construction was based in Korea.
> Gibsons: '22 "A" Mandolin / '66 ES 125T / '66 Epi FT-45n Cortez (B-25) / '90 Tennessean
'00 J-100 Xtra / '02 J-45 Rosewood / '02 SG Faded-moon / '09 ES 339 / '10 ES 330L
'11 ES 335-P90s / '12 ES 330 VOS / '12 LP Special / '12 J-185
'13 LG2-AE / '13 Midtown Kalamazoo / '14 J-15 / '15 J-50 CS
> Epiphones: '00 AIUSA-John Lee Hooker 1964 Sheraton / '05 McCartney 1964 Texan (Terada)
'09 Elitist 1965 Casino / > Ibanez: '81 M-340 / > Breedlove: '10 American Series OO Mandolin
> Guilds: '73 F-30R / '74 F-40 / '76 G-37 / '92 D-6 / '94 JF-30 / '97 Starfire / '14 Savoy A-150b
> Martins: '00 OOO-16 / '01 Custom Rosewood Dreadnought
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Posted 06 July 2018 - 08:26 PM

Bozeman, of course, never even bothered reproducing the pinless bridge on their various Everly Bros J-180 reissues. Other than that model the only other Gibson I can think of that came with a pinless bridge would have been the J-40 in the 1970s. But the big question is where would the money be in manufacturing a guitar In the U.S. with the Epi moniker that was already in production.

As far as I know, the only U.S. built Epi acoustics after 1970 were models which had originated in Kalamazoo in the 1960s such as the 1993 reissues of the Texan, Excellente and Frontier. As a starting point though, I am also pretty sure that if this guitar were built in the U.S. it will have the serial number stamped on the back of the headstock.

This post has been edited by zombywoof: 06 July 2018 - 08:27 PM

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