Paul14 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Was wondering if anyone knows which tuners came originally on a 2001 J-50? Just noticed that the tuners were changed somewhere along the line. There are Grover Romatics on there now. Also can they simply be changed out, or were there modifications made to accommodate the Grovers? Looks like they just used the bottom screw to attach the Grover’s. Thanks in advance for any advice, you might have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Was wondering if anyone knows which tuners came originally on a 2001 J-50? Just noticed that the tuners were changed somewhere along the line. There are Grover Romatics on there now. Also can they simply be changed out, or were there modifications made to accommodate the Grovers? Looks like they just used the bottom screw to attach the Grover's. Thanks in advance for any advice, you might have! is the foot print the same? Grovers are good tuners.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul14 Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 is the foot print the same? Grovers are good tuners.. The same as what? I think they were the same as the ones on my 2005 J45? The holes seem to match those, however there is no name on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 The same as what? I think they were the same as the ones on my 2005 J45? The holes seem to match those, however there is no name on them. the screw posistion is the foot print.. I believe th post as well as the Ring size should be the same.. .. hows a bout a Picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul14 Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 here it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 The only difference I would be concerned about is the grommet ring on the face of each post.. the Kluson style machine heads are pressed in.. where the grover is scewed in to the machine head from the top.. It might have been oversized . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul14 Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 this is my J-200 (don't have the J-45 right now)the same tuners as my J-45 except they are silver with white plastic buttons. I believe the J-50 had the exact tuners, as the J-45? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorrisrownSal Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I bet these are what came originally.... Kluson SD9005MNP Plastic Button Tuners, 3 Per Side, Gibson Style, Nickel/White https://www.amazon.c...K2A9KT0C7D9W1AT I would call StewMac. Ask them if you need a special bushing .... I dont think you will, but worth the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyd Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I have never seen a 2001 J-50 (but I'll bet it's nice!) however these threads might provide some insights... http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/111365-ntd-new-tuners-day http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/142887-mini-grovers-have-got-to-go/page__p__1937321__fromsearch__1#entry1937321 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul14 Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 I bet these are what came originally.... Kluson SD9005MNP Plastic Button Tuners, 3 Per Side, Gibson Style, Nickel/White https://www.amazon.c...K2A9KT0C7D9W1AT I would call StewMac. Ask them if you need a special bushing .... I dont think you will, but worth the call. I think your right. I believe these are the originals. I have sent an email to Gibson to verify. If this is the case, I will call stewmac. I hope the Grover’s were a a simple drop in replacement. If not I’ll probable leave them alone. I would like to return the guitar back to original, but i’m running on fumes financially. I can deal with the cost of new tuners, but not much more! (Fixed income, & all) those pesky bills, never stop coming! Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyd Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Looking at yourJ-200 photo again, those tuners look like the "vintage" Gibsons that I got at Guitar Center 5 years ago for my 1974 J-50. https://www.guitarcenter.com/Gibson/Vintage-Gold-Machine-Heads-with-Pearloid-Buttons.gc The originals had solid nickel buttons, and I didn't realize that WD had nice replicas available of them at the time. The WD Klusons work really well and they're also less expensive :) https://www.wdmusic.com/tuners_kluson.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I think your right. I believe these are the originals. I have sent an email to Gibson to verify. If this is the case, I will call stewmac. I hope the Grover's were a a simple drop in replacement. If not I'll probable leave them alone. I would like to return the guitar back to original, but i'm running on fumes financially. I can deal with the cost of new tuners, but not much more! (Fixed income, & all) those pesky bills, never stop coming! Thank you. where are you located? I have a set of the Gibson J50s proper ones with the white Buttons. and the collars as well.. Pm Me and let me know. I just checked on the set of 6 I have.. they will work on yours.. and cover the post and holes properly.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul14 Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 where are you located? I have a set of the Gibson J50s proper ones with the white Buttons. and the collars as well.. Pm Me and let me know. I just checked on the set of 6 I have.. they will work on yours.. and cover the post and holes properly.. Message sent. That’s awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombywoof Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I have said it before and will say it again, Rotomatics just look so wrong on a J-45. As the originals are MIA, I would just go with what pleases you aesthetically. For me that means open gear tuners such as the Sew Mac bent tab Klusons. The last guitar I changed tuners on (a mid-1960s Harmony Sovereign) I went with the Grover Sta-Tites. Just a good working and looking tuner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul14 Posted September 3, 2018 Author Share Posted September 3, 2018 I have said it before and will say it again, Rotomatics just look so wrong on a J-45. As the originals are MIA, I would just go with what pleases you aesthetically. For me that means open gear tuners such as the Sew Mac bent tab Klusons. The last guitar I changed tuners on (a mid-1960s Harmony Sovereign) I went with the Grover Sta-Tites. Just a good working and looking tuner. I put a set of those on my 98 00-15 . I like them too. It looks like I got the J-50 covered, thanks to Slimt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave F Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 I grabbed a couple sets of these when Stewmac was clearing them out just in case. When I got my Kristofferson SJ I found some Waverly cream buttons that fit perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobouz Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Coming to this late, but I can tell you the following: In 2001, I purchased a new '01 J-50. The original tuners were not three-on-a-plate Kluson-style machines. They were individual small-plastic-button Kluson-style machines. Of course, the visual appearance from the front was identical to three-on-a-plate Klusons. The Grovers on the OP's guitar require larger holes, which means that adapter bushings will be necessary to convert back to the original Kluson-style tuners. Sounds like Slim's got you covered, but if for some reason it doesn't work out, another drop-in option would be the Kluson Revolution line. These will match up to the original screw holes, and Revolution tuners are available in a threaded-collar version which matches up with the larger Grover post holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul14 Posted September 9, 2018 Author Share Posted September 9, 2018 Coming to this late, but I can tell you the following: In 2001, I purchased a new '01 J-50. The original tuners were not three-on-a-plate Kluson-style machines. They were individual small-plastic-button Kluson-style machines. Of course, the visual appearance from the front was identical to three-on-a-plate Klusons. The Grovers on the OP's guitar require larger holes, which means that adapter bushings will be necessary to convert back to the original Kluson-style tuners. Sounds like Slim's got you covered, but if for some reason it doesn't work out, another drop-in option would be the Kluson Revolution line. These will match up to the original screw holes, and Revolution tuners are available in a threaded-collar version which matches up with the larger Grover post holes. Thanks for that! Appreciate your suggestions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Thanks for that! Appreciate your suggestions! They have been shipped.. watch your mailbox , they should be there in the next 7 working days.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul14 Posted September 9, 2018 Author Share Posted September 9, 2018 They have been shipped.. watch your mailbox , they should be there in the next 7 working days.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul14 Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 They have been shipped.. watch your mailbox , they should be there in the next 7 working days.. Got them yesterday. Thank you again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbpark Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Here's a thread I posted just the other day detailing how I swapped out the Rotomatics on my J45 Standard for 3-on-a-plate Klusons with white buttons. http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/144148-j45-standard-tuner-conversion-done-super-easy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimt Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 That looks better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul14 Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 That looks better. Agree, couldn’t be happier! Simple swap. Took about 1/2 an hour. The tuners work great too. Just as smooth as the Grover’s, & look much better! There was a problem with one of the Grover’s. That’s how I noticed they weren’t original! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul14 Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 Here's a thread I posted just the other day detailing how I swapped out the Rotomatics on my J45 Standard for 3-on-a-plate Klusons with white buttons. http://forum.gibson.com/index.php?/topic/144148-j45-standard-tuner-conversion-done-super-easy/ Yes, i’ve Been following your post! Very nice outcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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