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#1 User is offline   gnappi 

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 11:15 AM

I never heard of a thermally engineered chambered maple centerblock. Does anyone have a pic of one?


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 10:31 AM

View Postgnappi, on 11 September 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

I never heard of a thermally engineered chambered maple centerblock. Does anyone have a pic of one?




So I guess it means the wood was heated and holes drilled into it. I guess someone it the marketing department used their English degree.
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 01:19 PM

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Posted 12 September 2018 - 02:39 PM

My 2016 ES-335 Premiere Figured has "Thermally treated" braces and center block, no mention of chambered so I presume not. Are you wanting to see the chambering?
I'd have to assume the "thermal treating" is pretty much the same as "torrefied"/baked maple used for fingerboards. Oversimplified, it drives out moisture which gives increased strength and stability.
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 03:41 PM

View PostWmachine, on 12 September 2018 - 02:39 PM, said:

My 2016 ES-335 Premiere Figured has "Thermally treated" braces and center block, no mention of chambered so I presume not. Are you wanting to see the chambering?
I'd have to assume the "thermal treating" is pretty much the same as "torrefied"/baked maple used for fingerboards. Oversimplified, it drives out moisture which gives increased strength and stability.


I've heard of thermally treating / stabilizing wood, but chambering? I definitely would like to see a pic of that chambered block. I suspect it would cure or help mitigate neck rise?




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Posted 12 September 2018 - 08:20 PM

View Postgnappi, on 12 September 2018 - 03:41 PM, said:

I've heard of thermally treating / stabilizing wood, but chambering? I definitely would like to see a pic of that chambered block. I suspect it would cure or help mitigate neck rise?

To me it means less wood, less weight. But it also means less mass, and I have a hard time believing there is anything positive about that.
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 10:41 PM

View PostWmachine, on 12 September 2018 - 08:20 PM, said:

To me it means less wood, less weight. But it also means less mass, and I have a hard time believing there is anything positive about that.


The ES Les Paul works kinds well :-) At my age, less weight is good. I'll see when it comes in next week.



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Posted 13 September 2018 - 09:28 AM

View PostSteveFord, on 13 September 2018 - 05:25 AM, said:

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Posted 13 September 2018 - 10:11 AM

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They're kind of reaching with this centerblock bit but I guess somebody thought it sounded like an impressive feature
Leftover scraps of wood from the 2018 torrefied production?

Poking around on the 2019 Memphis section I see they had second thoughts about advertising the use of Grade B Rosewood on the ES-235 and removed it from the page.


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 04:31 PM

View PostSteveFord, on 13 September 2018 - 10:11 AM, said:

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They're kind of reaching with this centerblock bit but I guess somebody thought it sounded like an impressive feature
Leftover scraps of wood from the 2018 torrefied production?

Poking around on the 2019 Memphis section I see they had second thoughts about advertising the use of Grade B Rosewood on the ES-235 and removed it from the page.



I have a few 335's and every one balances body heavy and it's very noticeable while sitting. I think this will mitigate it. I'm expecting a new ES-275 next week, I'll see how it feels.


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 07:11 AM

Does it mean the Chamber of the Maple Center Bolck is Thermally Engineered? That's what it sounds like. LOL!

Does it mean it's full of hot air? LOL, or does it mean they're full of hot air. LOL!

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 07:38 AM

View PostWmachine, on 12 September 2018 - 08:20 PM, said:

To me it means less wood, less weight. But it also means less mass, and I have a hard time believing there is anything positive about that.


I think its a good idea. It is a semi-hollow after all. The original purpose of the centerblock is to minimise feedback. The downside of that is the sacrifice of acoustic volume & acoustic tone.

Considering all the trouble builders go to making a conventional hollow body (ie: keeping everything possible outside the acoustic chamber) in order to maximise those features, I don't grudge them some chambering a centreblock.
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Posted 18 September 2018 - 07:42 AM

View Postgnappi, on 12 September 2018 - 10:41 PM, said:

The ES Les Paul works kinds well :-) At my age, less weight is good. I'll see when it comes in next week.



There really isn't a lot of wood left to begin with.....

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 09:33 PM

Sweetwater Video showing the baked maple weight relieved... 4:58 mins.


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Posted 19 September 2018 - 12:08 AM

View PostGrog, on 18 September 2018 - 07:42 AM, said:

There really isn't a lot of wood left to begin with.....

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I have several Hollow & Semi Hollow Guitars.. Gibsons ES335, Epiphone Casinos & Gretsch G-5120.. I like them all. My Gibson Memphis Blacktop ES Les Paul with Bigsby is one of my favorites! It's killer looks, light weight 6.5 lbs. & great sounding MHS Pickups are second to none..
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Posted 19 September 2018 - 08:14 AM

View PostLarsongs, on 19 September 2018 - 12:08 AM, said:

I have several Hollow & Semi Hollow Guitars.. Gibsons ES335, Epiphone Casinos & Gretsch G-5120.. I like them all. My Gibson Memphis Blacktop ES Les Paul with Bigsby is one of my favorites! It's killer looks, light weight 6.5 lbs. & great sounding MHS Pickups are second to none..


I have also been very pleased with my ES Les Pauls. I've had several vintage Semi Hollow guitars & basses & they are all a bit different. It's too bad they discontinued the ES Les Pauls, they are great guitars & well thought out...

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Posted 19 September 2018 - 08:16 AM

View Postkaicho8888, on 18 September 2018 - 09:33 PM, said:

Sweetwater Video showing the baked maple weight relieved... 4:58 mins.



Thanks, couldn't be more clearly shown and explained. Sad thing (to me) is that I watched that video when it first came out and didn't remember that part. Wasn't looking at that aspect of things at the time.

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I have several Hollow & Semi Hollow Guitars.. Gibsons ES335, Epiphone Casinos & Gretsch G-5120.. I like them all. My Gibson Memphis Blacktop ES Les Paul with Bigsby is one of my favorites! It's killer looks, light weight 6.5 lbs. & great sounding MHS Pickups are second to none..

I'm not a fan of the ES-LP, to me the "ground" that it covers is already well covered by other preexisting models. But that's just me. However, I did buy one as I got a deal I couldn't refuse and could then give it a fair evaluation. Knowing firsthand how good the ES-335 Studio is (2106) compared to "standard" ES-335s, I did not hesitate at getting the ES-LP Special, the basic no frills ES-LP model. I really did expect good things from it, but I found myself disappointed with it. It is a flat-top model, so that would give it somewhat different characteristics, and it has '57 Classic pups, which should be perfectly fine in an ES. The physical appearance is perfectly good, fit, finish, feel, etc. But it does not have the resonance I think it should. I'd describe it as shallow. Plugged it, it is adequate at best, but not impressive. It does play nicely, though. To be honest, I need to give it some more time before I make a "final" judgement about it, maybe change strings. And maybe it is just not a "good one". I really want to like it, but it has some pretty tough competition from other Gibsons I have.
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Posted 19 September 2018 - 09:55 AM

View PostWmachine, on 19 September 2018 - 08:16 AM, said:

Thanks, couldn't be more clearly shown and explained. Sad thing (to me) is that I watched that video when it first came out and didn't remember that part. Wasn't looking at that aspect of things at the time.


I'm not a fan of the ES-LP, to me the "ground" that it covers is already well covered by other preexisting models. But that's just me. However, I did buy one as I got a deal I couldn't refuse and could then give it a fair evaluation. Knowing firsthand how good the ES-335 Studio is (2106) compared to "standard" ES-335s, I did not hesitate at getting the ES-LP Special, the basic no frills ES-LP model. I really did expect good things from it, but I found myself disappointed with it. It is a flat-top model, so that would give it somewhat different characteristics, and it has '57 Classic pups, which should be perfectly fine in an ES. The physical appearance is perfectly good, fit, finish, feel, etc. But it does not have the resonance I think it should. I'd describe it as shallow. Plugged it, it is adequate at best, but not impressive. It does play nicely, though. To be honest, I need to give it some more time before I make a "final" judgement about it, maybe change strings. And maybe it is just not a "good one". I really want to like it, but it has some pretty tough competition from other Gibsons I have.


Your ES Les Paul is a different Guitar than mine in just about every respect... You really should try one like mine to see, hear & feel the difference. I think you'd be very pleased.. It is every bit equal to my Top of the Line Les Paul's & Memphis Dot ES335 which also has MHS Pickups...

In any case I hope you have good luck with yours...
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